Discussion in   Help!   started     10 years ago   June 03, 2014, 04:33:48 AM   by   DarkWarrior

Can not seem to hold my own.

DarkWarrior
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Topic :   Can not seem to hold my own.
10 years ago  June 03, 2014, 04:33:48 AM

Hi all,


I am struggling a bit here. I have pretty much all skills trained up now all the important ones are at 120. I got the vet pack like everyone else, I got some magi gear and talisman of flame, mirror shield etc like others did. I got a talisman of the moon from the auction, Pharaohs sandals from another player. I found a double axe with 3x leech and paid my 500ED to get it to lvl100 (Some as far as I know didn't pay, but that's fine as I never had a lvl100 before revert anyway) I also paid to make it one handed with self repair 5.


The Axe is along the lines of (at work so form memory)
50% Mana, Stamina, Life Leech
10% on all area effects
50% Magic Arrow
25% SSI
41% DI


No Augs yet.


My resists are about 65/70/70/50


Yet, I go to a champ and see people standing there surrounded by mobs just hacking away and not loosing health, and yet there is me running around like a blue *** fly trying to stay alive as once we get to the higher levels of a champ I just can't stick around and fight. I die so quickly, same with these triple champ events. Fair enough before the revert as I was new and vets could just stand there bash away and get all the scrolls. But now we are all on roughly the same levels and I am still struggling while the old vets seem to be racing away again and able to solo champs again.


I am at a loss as to what I am doing wrong, I thought I had good gear but it just does not seem to cut it at all and I am loosing out on a lot because I just can't keep up.


Any advice? I can be around this week if anyone wants to check out my gear and give advice or I can post more details on my setup when I get home.


Thanks All!

Thorgal Pain
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#1 Re :   Can not seem to hold my own.
10 years ago  June 03, 2014, 05:40:12 AM

Pm me in game but i can tell you right away you wont like my answer!

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#2 Re :   Can not seem to hold my own.
10 years ago  June 03, 2014, 05:42:30 AM

haha, I am not worried about the answer because most likely I am doing something wrong or my setup is completely wrong.
This is my first UO for about 5years so I am not surprised I am doing things all wrong as I am used to vanilla AOS/SE.


Any help is help be it harsh or not, so I shall PM you and take your advice on board :)

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#3 Re :   Can not seem to hold my own.
10 years ago  June 03, 2014, 05:28:50 PM

I would not say you are doing anything "wrong" but  might need some tweeking is all:

You really want those resists all at 70%, might be why you are taking high incoming damage.

Are you running a razor "champ macro"? If you are trying to do it manually you will struggle. I think someone posted a champ macro on the forums somewhere.

Are you casting Vampiric Embrace? Helps with the life leech and some poison resist.

Varaben
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#4 Re :   Can not seem to hold my own.
10 years ago  June 03, 2014, 08:00:40 PM

One thing that seems to help this  build a lot if Bushido/Parry. I don't have any hard numbers for you, but I believe they are pretty powerful utilizing a 2her and having 120 parry + 30 from gear and 120 bushido + 30 from gear.

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#5 Re :   Can not seem to hold my own.
10 years ago  June 03, 2014, 08:13:16 PM

You actually want to watch parry with bushido. We had recently had changes where in Bushido did not hurt parry with a shield. However, with the revert it goes back to OSI mathematics.

Without drowning in the math, basically, the higher your bushido after 80 the more bushido hurts your chance to parry with shield. If you use a two handed weap you don't get this "hit". BUT since  a shield gives one more item for bonuses, you want the shield and do NOT want bushido.

For an example, below demonstrates parry +/- bushido:

120 parry , 0 bushido: parry with shield=35% , parry with a 2-hand weap =5%

120 parry, 120 bushido:   parry with shield=5%, parry with a 2-hand weap=40%

160 parry, 0 bushido:  parry with a shield=40%, parry with a 2-hand weap= 5%

160 parry, 120 bushido:  parry with a shield=15%, parry with 2-hand weap= 52%

260 parry, 0 bushido: parry with shield = 70%, parry with 2-hand weap= 5%

260 parry, 120 bushido: parry with a shield= 40%, parry with a 2-hand = 80%

As you can see, parry + bushido offers great parrying with a 2 hand weap; however, this would take away an item for bonuses (+to hit, +defense, etc) and you really want that extra item for more defenses here. So, the way to go on this shard ATM is to have 0 bushido and high parry to increase block % and give an extra item for bonuses. Now, if they change it again to remove the penalty for using a shield with high bushido, then the story changes.


EDIT:
Oh, and to use the numbers from V above:

150 parry and 150 bushido:
parry with a shield = 5%
parry with a 2-hand weap= 57%

So yes, with his numbers of 150 in each, you have a much higher chance to parry with a 2 hand weap. BUT again, this takes an item out of the picture for bonuses, so you have to take that into consideration when deciding which way you want to go.



Varaben
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#6 Re :   Can not seem to hold my own.
10 years ago  June 04, 2014, 09:50:36 AM

Dang I totally forgot about reverting. I recall when I was playing before they had just made that change to Bushido and Parry. Presumably they will let them work together at some point.


As a returning player re-doing my skills, this is good to know :).

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#7 Re :   Can not seem to hold my own.
10 years ago  June 23, 2014, 06:57:02 PM

Hi all,


I am struggling a bit here. I have pretty much all skills trained up now all the important ones are at 120. I got the vet pack like everyone else, I got some magi gear and talisman of flame, mirror shield etc like others did. I got a talisman of the moon from the auction, Pharaohs sandals from another player. I found a double axe with 3x leech and paid my 500ED to get it to lvl100 (Some as far as I know didn't pay, but that's fine as I never had a lvl100 before revert anyway) I also paid to make it one handed with self repair 5.


The Axe is along the lines of (at work so form memory)
50% Mana, Stamina, Life Leech
10% on all area effects
50% Magic Arrow
25% SSI
41% DI


No Augs yet.


My resists are about 65/70/70/50


Yet, I go to a champ and see people standing there surrounded by mobs just hacking away and not loosing health, and yet there is me running around like a blue *** fly trying to stay alive as once we get to the higher levels of a champ I just can't stick around and fight. I die so quickly, same with these triple champ events. Fair enough before the revert as I was new and vets could just stand there bash away and get all the scrolls. But now we are all on roughly the same levels and I am still struggling while the old vets seem to be racing away again and able to solo champs again.


I am at a loss as to what I am doing wrong, I thought I had good gear but it just does not seem to cut it at all and I am loosing out on a lot because I just can't keep up.


Any advice? I can be around this week if anyone wants to check out my gear and give advice or I can post more details on my setup when I get home.


Thanks All!



soo many things can be said here lol but id say go ahead and you tube some champs.. maybe the one ur trying to do... slayer weps are a big plus for champs... aoe ability weps too... use necromancy wraith form keeps ur mana up.. don't rely on 1 way of healing or u die.. keep bandaids pots ss and heals on u constantly. life leech is a big plus specialy when u aoe..... my best advise is watch a youtube video on the champ ur trying to do and observe the player and the skills he uses...... or run a champ with a pro and watch him do it.