Discussion in   Help!   started     7 years ago   February 11, 2017, 08:13:40 AM   by   Mandar

Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?

Mandar
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Topic :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 11, 2017, 08:13:40 AM

I have 373 BS, 7k Luck, used 300 plats last night and this morning and I got 2 triple leeches but without any hit spells.  There were a hand full of lower levels that can be sold and guestimating over 90% were trashed.  Also, using iron ingots, but about half or more are not 100% physical. 


Anyone know the odds of getting a half way decent axe.  Or was it nerfed recently? On the bright side, I should make a couple million gold off the lower level axes which will offset the thousands of ed invested...lol. Will burn through 200 more plats later today and will post if anyone is interested. BUT if I am doing something wrong, pls let me know.  Thanks!

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#1 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 11, 2017, 10:43:21 AM

I hate to break it to you, but RNG is RNG.  I've rolled a triple leech with hit spell (harm) on an axe with a few hundred luck, 140 Smithing, and a Toxic Hammer.  Sure, the values were in the low 40's, but it was still a triple leech hit spell.

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#2 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 11, 2017, 10:46:09 AM

I am beginner in crafting but for crafting its level of ingot type or leather type that makes a tougher item, isnt it same with weapons?

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#3 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 11, 2017, 01:06:03 PM

Craft the item using Iron Ingots, then enhance the item with the desired type of ingot.  Normally Ice, Blaze, Toxic, etc.


See if the item then becomes strong of if only the durability improves.

Mandar
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#4 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 12, 2017, 12:44:47 AM

My RNG needs a tune up. Guess that is the joy of crafting. Went through 2k plats now and got about 8 triple leeches w no hits or lowers. 3 triples with 1 hit spell and 1 triple w both lowers and no hits. Uggh. Kind of showing that you don't need bought luck as much as RL luck. And as far as BS skill. I'm guessing that there are diminishing returns after 200 or something like that. People w less than 2k luck seem to have better same results as me having 7k luck. I hate crafting and plan to go back killing mobs with a sharp stick, cause now I am broke. Lol.


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#5 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 12, 2017, 03:26:30 AM

I decided to test my luck myself. Used toxic hammer with 700 uses with iron ingots. Got about 10 triple leeches plus 2 together with hit added. Numbers about 42-45%.


Had 2000 luck and 148 Blacksmithing.

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#6 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 12, 2017, 09:23:55 AM

Thanks Morsax. I must be the unluckiest person on the shard...lol.  I'd be interested when you start using plats on how you do.

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#7 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 14, 2017, 12:18:50 PM

Thanks Morsax. I must be the unluckiest person on the shard...lol.  I'd be interested when you start using plats on how you do.

Update. Up to 3k plat. I have a handful of triple leech w no hits or lowers. Handful of triple leech w one hit or one lower. And a handful that have possibilities if I had a lot of invidia (pvp) Unfortunately, nothing that I am looking for. Triple leech, one lower at least and one hit minimum. I'm going to hang it up for a little. Will be looking to buy a few axes : )


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#8 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 16, 2017, 02:06:39 PM

Talk to Shena about her Blacksmithing suit.  She may be able to help you a lot with your suit build.

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#9 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 17, 2017, 08:18:43 AM

I too had the same results you hand Mandar with plat & frost. I burnt thro 1500 of both by the time I pmed Kane & asked him to look into it. He informed me it is working as intended.  I quit trying.


Info I can share, to help those around me:


1. Not sure why, but the new crafting system has broken the ingot type vs Damage modifier classification.
Example: I used iron to have 100 % Physical Damage, to enhance to whatever I chose later. Instead, I got blends of 10 Fire/10 Cold/30 Energy/50 Physical or 30 Energy/20 Fire/30 Cold/10 Physical.  Because of this, you cant enhance the weap properly, thus ruining the chance of a 100% choice in its damage type.
2. I could get Triple Leeches, but NONE with Lower Defense & Spell on hit.
3. NONE of the weapons with just Mana & Life Leech, EVER got a Lower Defense, it was always Lower Attack or Lower Attack & Lower Defense. So the chance of getting a Lower D & A Spell on hit wont happen.
4. When using Toxic, I could get anything I wanted, but its Toxic, I want the Plat roll percentages.
5. Ive burnt thru 5k Plat over the past 2 years & 2k Frost 6 months ago, all are crap compared to what we use to get: One Triple Leech 50s, Lower Defense 50, hit spell 50 Weapon per 100-200 Plats/Frosts, & that was before the GODlike weapons they use to get when Fek made, His could have 6 Lines of pure power.
6. My suits are various combinations, trying to find the sweet spot. I have 500 BS, 400 Arms Lore, 480 Fletching. I adjusted my luck from 2k-4800.


Hopefully, someone will find the above helpful, or someone will help us. It makes me sad to burn through so much & not get 1 ideal weapon. Help us, so we can help feed the server, please?


Sage

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#10 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 17, 2017, 09:57:37 AM

Thanks Sagemoon for the info. I believe real life luck and karma also play a role :P

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#11 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 17, 2017, 11:20:33 AM

Agreed.  I understand RNGs but personally dealt with people who are very "lucky" almost at will. I've requested a couple axes with very high stats from a specific player in the past and 1 day later got both of them.  I obviously paid a premium but was amazed at the "luck" this person had.  He had mid to low 200 in blacksmithing, 140 lore and 1500 luck.  Then I hear that he was able to make a couple more..... I won't name names but just thought that he was very fortunate to make such a high percentage. So maybe RNGs can be set differently for different situations... a power hour, star alignment, or by specific player.... wish I knew.  Hate to hear you had the same "luck" as me Sagemoon but thanks for adding to the post.  Maybe if there is a "secret" then we will be let in on it one day... lol.  As far as what I've learned.  Don't buy ed for blacksmithing.  Go mine and mine some more.  Use minimal gear. Start with Toxic runics which are fairly easy to get and work your way up.  Then pray (if you're religious), sacrifice a small animal (if you're not), befriend a gm, and proceed to do some sort of "lucky" dance. 

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#12 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 21, 2017, 11:18:55 AM

I hate to break it to you, but RNG is RNG.


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I use toxic hammers over platinum, because, my heart can't bare any more quad resist platinum hammer rolls.






I will keep this as simple and to the point as possible since this mostly common knowledge;

Platinum runic hammers don't increase your odds to roll favorable attribute combinations, but, instead increase the chances of that added attribute as well as the intensities of all the attributes on what you're crafting.

You can just as easily roll a 3 or 4 resist weapon with a platinum runic as you can with ANY of the other runics.

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There is actually speculation around whether or not you should stack you suit heavy one way or the other in terms of Blacksmithing or Arms Lore skill, but, no solid conclusions have been made that I'm aware of. Kane is the only one that "could" provide a solid, 100%, answer about this, but, I believe at this point the general consensus is that you should try to run equal values between the two skills.

The one thing, and arguably the most important thing, to take from this entire thread;  RNG will RNG.



What many people want is a unicorn, when, they would be just as good, or better off, with a horse.


So many people get caught up on finding that "perfect" weapon that they often look past perfectly fine weapons that will do more than what they need it for. I understand the strive for perfection as I often times catch myself doing the same during a crafting session AND many other aspects within Ultima.

I would venture to say finding a triple leech with a hit spell is, more often than not, achievable withing a 200 use window of a runic hammer, and PVP weapons seem to be even EASIER since you're normally looking for a smaller bunch of attributes that commonly appear together.

                                                                                                                                                                 █▬▬◟(`ﮧ´ ◟ ) Rage Quit!!!


You have to realize that you have a larger pool of attributes that could potentially pop up, ruining your entire weapon.


When crafting a weapon, you have the chance to roll:




-Hit Lightning, Harm, Fireball, Magic Arrow (Only 1 Per Weapon, if Rolled, with the possibility of adding a 2nd if you have a Dispel roll on craft AND a good Invidia Roll on use)
-Hit Mana Leech, Hit Life Leech, Hit Stamina Leech (Can Roll All 3)
-Hit Lower Attack, Hit Lower Defense (Can Roll Both)
-Defense Chance Increase, Hit Chance Increase
-Faster Casting+, Spell Channeling, Swing Speed Increase
-Luck, Resists (5), Hit Dispel (Everyone's Favorite)
-Use Best Weapon Skill, Mage Weapon
-Slayers (These are counted as a rolled attribute)

Is it impossible to roll that PERFECT Triple Leech, Double Hit Lower with a Hit Spell? Absolutely not.... but you better have a lot of time, and, a lot of runic charges... maybe a little bit of alcohol and some good company.


                                                                                                                                       

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#13 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 21, 2017, 03:11:58 PM

 Well said Worthless.


  Thanks. +1

Mandar
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#14 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 23, 2017, 10:25:16 AM

Man.. Thats good info!  Much appreciated.

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#15 Re :   Blacksmith Results, What am I missing?
7 years ago  February 27, 2017, 05:31:34 PM

Hmm i seen a trip leech 3 hits base.