Hi, could any one from staff (pref. Kane or Dante) explain the logic behind the recent changes to Luck system?

We did not change the luck system, we just made the drop rate different, so the items did not drop 100%.  Players were camping the key mobs 24/7 and creating a bottleneck in many locations.  The solution was longer timers, less drops and more locations to search.
Luckbox: so instead of fixing the issue you made the situation even worse???
NO! its called balance...

After those changes were implemented i got only 1 sword from Spirilix killing it 7 times with 3.2k Luck. And please don't tell me that i'm just unlucky. The same is going on with power scrolls from champs. How do you expect newer guys to gear up, when you need high luck gear in order to get money for high luck gear???

Did we reach the point when this shard became 100% pay2win? And PvP was already in this state for some time..
There is no such thing as pay to win, every item is available in game
My initial goal was to gear up without any cash injections, using all in game resources i can find. My wonderful guildies and other people giving me good deals on gear was great help, but unfortunately not enough.. After working my ass off for 3 months, spending all day long farming on UOE i can state, that new guys 0 chances to get high end gear without $. I even pissed some people by farming same mobs over and over. This was one of the primary reasons for the changes

And guess what? It's not my problem that the system is designed like that! Kane redesigned the system...we fixed the issues you were having, why would you be upset?  We did what you asked... 
Luckbox: could you elaborate on it? What i asked for? I'm clearly missing something..

All mobs, dropping high end gear were nerfed to obvilion and are on ridiculously high timers, increasing the gap in gear between vets and newcommers. Comparing timers on those when vets were gearing up and atm, it's just makes me puke. And if you wanna be competitive in PvP.. well, it's not gonna happen.. maybe after 2-3 years of farming each day.

Let's face it PvP atm is nearly dead and situation is just getting worse as vets are leaving at increasing rate.
This is not true, we banned 5 reds that were griefing and exploiting the systems, this is not really a pvp style server.  We have pvp tournaments and events like Hunger Games that are fun for everyone.  We design the challenges around pvm and have pvp as "Intelligent Guardians" of the loot in Felucca
Luckbox: Unfortunately pvp is part of the UO, want you it or not.. Then just disable pvp completely in Fel and anounce it as a PvM shard, then you wont mislead anyone. I joined it when PvP was popular. I discussed various things of it and theorycrafted with many vets. The only reason i was doing PvM is just to gear up for PvP. Now, when i donated and there is an issue with pvp popularity you tell me that PvP isn't important and just ignore this issue?
PvP is different on this shard, we are a CUSTOM shard...why would we disable it?  You just have to learn how to play here...
So, this is what gonna happen in near future (as i see it): even more PvPers will leave this shard (let's face it people leave for whatever reasons, mainly cause of RL stuff anyways), cause there wont be new challenge as new guys will need to dump tons of money into the game to gear up and even then they will need at least few months to get socket deeds and parry augs, as atm the supply of those is near 0. Newer guys like me sooner or later will realize that it's just money sink hole with boring grind fest late game and will come into the same conclusions.

How can you call us a money sink if you have never donated?  When you go out to a movie and pay $20 for entertainment do you call that a money sink?  Our entertainment has value, most games do CHARGE a monthly fee to play...we have a free play option for you, it just costs hard work:)

I'm sorry you feel this way, we add new content weekly to give players new challenges as fast as we can script them.  I don't think characterizing our shard as "boring" is a fair assessment of the number one, highest populated custom free shard?  We add more content in a month than most shards add in a year!  We are lucky to have such a good staff and a professional scipter like Kane!
Luckbox: all you wrote is irrelevant, cause i DID DONATE! 100$. I was FORCED to donate, cause was pissed of my ass getting owned by vets when i'm champing. They just steal champs! Once again, how newer guys can gear up when they are owned by vets big time??? And still after that all i can do is just run, i'll need at least few months to be able to hit them as they are full stacked with parry augs.
NO ONE is forced to donate...this is a free shard.  Donations are just an option to skip the grind and support the costs of running the shard

So, considering all this, i wanna ask the people developing this shard: will you leave it in that state? And if you gonna change anything, please share your vision with the community! It's really important! Thanks.

I am always sad when I see this type of post...please read my donation philosophy
http://uoevolution.com/wiki/index.php/Donation_Philosophy

We work extremely hard every day and try to create an entertaining world for you to enjoy for FREE.  As you said, you have never donated, yet you can log in here and play for free and get the benefits while everyone else is supporting YOUR gameplay...Im not sure why you would complain?  In order to entice players to donate there has to be an incentive.  Everything is available in game with hard work, donations just let you skip the grind and get instant satisfaction and helps support the expenses of the shard.  It's win/win for you and the shard.  I'm sorry you don't want to donate and that is your choice, but at least you do have the option.  Now you just have to put in hard work to obtain the rare items.  Many players do it just fine and enjoy the challenging gameplay

I hope this clears up your perception of the shard
Luckbox: and once again, i wrote all this as a donator. Instead of allowing non-donators to be able to get stuff by investing their time into game, you just nerfing everything even harder! How it can't be clear to you? You aren't fixing things, you just make it even worse!
Again its called balancing the gameplay

There are some great points in your post; The gap between the established vets and new player is growing quickly, that is not healthy long-term. I think Kane is always looking for balance.  There is also the issue of people "camping"  the mobs that drop the high end items.


I think Kane is looking for ways to allow every player to get the high end gear via quests, like with the black belt and brit cloaks.  Kane also loves feedback in the form of actually data.


The best thing to do is offer constructive change ideas.  I think the faction system is a good place, but I am not really sure where to start. 

I can somewhat agree with you Luckbox but if you think it isn't a known issue then I would totally disagree. I can't speak for Dante because I have never talked directly with him, but Kane is in Teamspeak frequently and depending on his workload he is usually more than willing to hear fresh ideas and those he likes go on the list. The unfortunate truth is that the list is freakishly long. I too am stuck in a place where the prospect of grinding out champs and perhaps...bods(puke) in order to afford the rest of my gear is completely daunting and I know damn well if I donated enough real money to finish gearing up my wife would murder me in my sleep. I think something that would help would be to make luck deeds easier to come by since everything is becoming increasingly dependent on luck. Like Thunder said the rich are getting richer and I believe it is because they have luck established and it is super hard to get as a new player at 1 ED per point of luck basically. Also like Thunder said, Kane likes hard data. Otherwise it just sounds like whining. I recently head him tell Bob the Builder to track what rewards he was getting from BODs and to give it to him in chunks and they could talk about rewards and potential changes. I think that's a good place to start. The one thing that gives me hope above all else is that the server is constantly being worked on. Kane might now always be coding something relevant to you and your play style but you can bet that he is indeed coding something that will enhance/fix a feature/item/event in game. Keep the faith brother, good things are coming. Open dialogue is always a benefit though, in my opinion.

And factions would be a dream come true because fighting in groups is both ridiculously entertaining and also hides what an awful fighter I am

What hard data would you need? For example let's take arena in Red City and let's compare activity there now and like 1-2 month ago.. Then there was constant action almost every evening.
Again we banned a large group, and we temporarily stopped running the pvp events, you are welcome to run your own pvp events, just takes effort
Now it's completely dead, although maybe i'm missing something as i can't call myself pvper, although working hard to gear up for that. There wasn't even pvp tournament last friday.. or was it?

Instead of working on issues, developers provide another boring grind fest, which will run for only month! What's then? After month the time they spent on it becomes totally wasted..
You mean the monthly custom quests that we create and script from scratch to entertain you?  No other shard does this, why would you complain about new content for the holidays? We have updated new content every friday for 7 years...
I know, i might sound like a whining btch, but it was brewing for a long time.. And the more time i spend on this shard, the more clearer whole picture becomes.
You should try and make your own shard and run it 24/7 and maybe you would appreciate our efforts and realize how nice it is here!
The only hope to fix things is if more people join this discussion and share their point of view, expectations and provide ideas how it can be fixed, not mentioning cooperation from developers.

I wondering what your real problem is?  We have spoken about all of this before and I completely explained this to you all before...

As I was researching, I came across some of your posts with these quotes:

"I also played like a year on UO Forever, which has a nasty playerbase"

"Evolution has one of the best playerbase from all the servers i know.. Seriously, people (players and staff) are awesome here."

"Players here share the fun from a game with others. Thats what makes this shard special, i think =)"

Seems like you used to have a great opinion of the shard? Now you are just flaming...

I know Kane is hoping to run more hunger games soon;  that is even a type of PvP.

Thunder, i fully support initiative on Hunger games, but that's a weekly event.. After that we all back to sad reality.

  Luckbox how long have you been playing on this shard. (pretty much my only question)

  That question being asked... I feel sad that I must inform you of the difference between a new player and a veteran player.

  IMO, of course, you are a new player if you have been playing here for less then a year...

  If you have been playing here for more than a year, then I apologize for my assumption, but the following paragraph still holds truth.

  Gear truly has nothing to do with PvP... as you will find that should you be on par with veterans in gear you will still be taking many dirt naps. The reason behind the dirt naps is simple, they are VETERANS, while you are still a new player to THIS shards PvP system.  Many of the top PvP'ers have been playing here since the first few months after the revert-- in some cases long before-- or Pvp'ed against those players. Others are just natural born UO killers.  [hats off to Pumpkin and Sultanofpwn]

  In conclusion, just try to have fun, don't blame others for your bad fortune or lack of skill. Improve upon what you can, and keep trying, instead of being frustrated and angry. Some day people might fear you for you prowess in PvP, but not if you give up. True warriors take a life time to master their craft... not 4 months.


  --Sturger--

Sturger, sorry, but you are missing point of my post.. The problem is that PvP is dying and newer players can't gear up at the same rate vets did before all those nerfs to quest mobs. It's completely irrelevant how long i'm playing here. My gear beats some vets playing here longer than year. Overall time spent ingame and effectiveness of the activity it was invested to which matters..

I hate to say this.....wait no I dont. The reason for the nerf in drop rates is because of people you Luckbox that will farm a mob then when someone comes by you go and demand them to leave because and I quote YOU "This is my mob" "Spirrilix is my Bitch". This is not the words of someone who is looking towards the better of the server but only looking out for themselves. You have built yourself a reputation on the server of someone who is not to be trusted or liked and these are not just my words but words of many players I have talked to. The problem is, you are part of the reason for these changes. As staff has mentioned, every item is available in game with hard work. You just dont want to work at it. You get beaten down at champs because of the reputation you worked so hard to achieve and now you complain about it. People would be far more likely to give you even better deals if you were not constantly trying to cheat people and constantly trying to only look out for yourself. Yeah I agree pvp is a little on the low side but this is more catered towards non-pvp. That does not mean that pvp does not exist on this server, it is just not as big of a factor as some people may want. However rather then changing that people want to complain about it, they are not willing to put in the work required to build up the pvp system. The lack of pvp is due to the players because most are just not that into the pvp aspect. To call out the GM's that work their pardon my language but asses off day in and day out is not only rude but unfair to them. They fix things to balance it and work to make the place more enjoyable. If you dont like it or dont like what I am posting to you Luckbox well I dont really care. Normally I would be far more gentle then I am being with you but when it comes to you I dont feel the need to be gentle about it. You want something to change for pvp or for things you want? Then fix it, stand up and be that pvper that people love to hate. Give people a reason to want to pvp you. With that being said, I hope you can learn to love the shard as much as many of us do but if you cant it aint no skin off my back. Also it is becoming summer hence why we have and will see a drop in players during the day time. Honestly, who wants to be cooped up every day while it is nice and sunny out.

Let me state this.. your post makes a ton of assumptions.  You assume because you have a stretch of bad luck that I changed something.  I have made no changes to drop rates in a long time, especially not the Kas quest stuff. 

Since I took over the dev stuff, more stuff is available in game and from different methods then ever before on this shard.  Read it.. EVER BEFORE.

Now, have I made it a point that the quality of the item will determine how hard it is to get, yes.  I always will do that, just seems to make sense to me.. call me crazy.  There is going to be a gap between vets from before and those currently play but I have to think in terms of 6/12/18 months down the road not just today.  I would like to add there were a series of posts not long ago about being bored, let me guess that you are no longer bored?  I will state that I am constantly learning and tweaking things to find good balance, not to hard or time consuming vs the reward.  That is an endless task (and quite thankless).  I won't make a change because 1 person says they did not get a sword in the last five attempts, that is just insane.

If this was a donation only shard let me assure you, most of my time would be spent on doing donation items and not creating things for in game play.. and if something from that looks to be good enough for donation, then it gets added or discussed between Dante and myself.  I spend far to many hours working solely on game play for that kind of statement even to make sense to me. 

I agree with some aspects as well. It really is a PITA anymore to get or do almost EVERYTHING. Yes, you can obtain items/gear without donating, but its going to take A LONG, BORING time.

The other gear available in game (not dontation/auction only)  like Magi, Kas, genesis Neck, allegedly flame & moon tali, already had low to super low drop chance. Now I feel it is compounded by almost absurd re-spawn timers.  (up to a week on some, with already low drop rates to boot)

I understand from the red text, this was done to combat camping. I myself never really had an issue with seeing people camping, until very recently. I got my fair share of the mobs as well as ALOT of other players I knew.  (and did not camp)

The server population has increased, and the availability of items/mobs has DECREASED. Which seems backwards to me.  I could see why people would actually camp more now. as its about the only way to ever get a chance. ( I have not seen Magi Dragon spawn up in months).

In the past, a new player had a decent chance to save up some money and get some good quest gear (or do it themselves). Now I imagine its far more difficult to get the quest mobs or buy the items at an affordable price.   

Just my thoughts on the issue anyhow.

Timothy, you was the main reason why people think bad about me, coz you didnt get the joke and started whining around that Luckbox is selfish mofo etc.. Yes, i told you 'Spirilix is my btch', i felt that way, coz i was farming him like crazy, and guess what.. coz i was WORKING HARD to be able to get him every single time. Also why you didn't tell people that you stole my mobs while i was levelling bow in that area so they get full picture why that happenned? Also please don't tell me that i'm not working hard enough or don't wanna work.. just don't!
And whom i cheated??? Please name at least one person or i'll call you trashtalker and liar. Many people trust me and we have great relationship. The only people who mad at me are those whom you mislead. Period.

Kane, i admire your work, really, but i miss info on the shard development roadmap, changes to pvp you gonna make, if any etc. Dante's statement that PvP isn't active only cause you/he banned 5 reds is just proves how bad is the whole situation with PvP..

Hope you understand, that the more people will come and stay on shard, the more money you can get from donations. So you will have even more resources for development etc. And PvP can be additional point, attracting new players. But currently you have no chance to pvp even having some decent gear, cause of the HUGE gap in gear.

My proposal: could you introduce Parry and Eval cap (at least for a limited time as a test run) for pvp like you did with spell damage?  This way the gap will be lowered and we get some pvp action going on. How do you feel about that?

I already have a plan for Parry and after a few discussions I think we have a good plan for Eval..

LOL you seem to have a skewed recollection of that day. I was hidden the entire time unless you revealed me or I talked to you. I did not touch "your" mobs which they were never yours anyways. I misled noone against you, your actions have done that plenty already. You were already getting flamed and trolled before I ever even met up with you. As for who you cheated, you sold a tokuno belt, a white one mind you with the seals to a guild mate for 150 ed. you may not think that as a cheat but there are many people that feel that the transaction was a cheat considering not only was it a new player you sold it to but a guild mate of yours as well and should have been sold at a much lower price. You want to call me out then fine but you better make sure that you are ready for it. I had already stated I hope you can find a way to enjoy the game like many of us have but the problem I have seen with your entire post is that you are outright attacking the GM's for things you dont see to completely understand. They change things to try to help the game become better. Like I said, it is summer, we will see a dip in players because people will prefer to be outside rather then inside. Before you EVER attack me, make sure you remember the events clearly. The one attacking your mobs was Miz or whatever her name was, the one you CLAIMED had stolen "Your Spirrilix" on another occasion. Lies will not help you on a forum, anyone can say anything here. I was planning to drop it and not even bother responding back and I wont be responding back to any of your posts from here on out, as I stated to you. You were not going to like my post regarding yours and I dont feel sorry for anything I have said. You claim to have a good relationship with a majority of the server, keep telling yourself that, whatever helps you sleep at night. Just because people play nicely around you does not mean they really like you. I play nice around you in game and look how that is playing out for you right now. Again, I hope you can enjoy the server, and I doubly hope that you can find a way to actually help the server, new players, and especially your guild mates. If you ever find a way to do those things then you and me wont have any issues. It is the greed and incessant complaints because you have only gotten 1 Kas Sword in 7 kills of spirrilix. You may not want to hear it but you are probably just getting unlucky, that is the entire thing. Hope you get over this whole "I am going to attack the staff" thing and can enjoy the game again.

Timothy, after those accusations we discussed that deal later with other guildies and everyone came into agreement that it was good price, ask that person again, he was explained the pricing by not only me and dont trash post from now on.. Wont even bother reading. You already proved how fcked up person you are. Thanks.

Kane, i'm glad to hear that! Any chance you would share your plan so we could plan our gear? Atm we know about changes only when they are implemented. I don't say it's wrong, just think that info on future changes and even some open discussion on the forum could help in establishing better climate overall and maybe (!!!) prevent some potentially bad outcomes.

Luckbox you're losing me a little bit here. I think you are trying to argue everything at once instead of sticking with the main points from your first post. If there is a discussion to be had I am all for it but if this follows down the path of ranting about every thing on the server that doesn't fit your style of play then most people(myself included) are going to check out completely.

I disagree that this server is designed as play to win. However, the grind for certain items is HARD and most people donate instead of grinding for hours on end. And I disagree with Dante when he says that all items are available in game because I do not count auctions as in game. Auctions are part of the game and is a way I distribute rares and donation items each month for the players that cannot afford to donate.  That is still buying from staff you just have options as to which currency you use. Unless I am mistaken the world teleporter and bank crystals are not in game(luxury items and not necessary), leggings of the royal guard can not be obtained in game, I am going to list luck deeds here but someone please correct me if these are a BOD reward? Items that are hard/nearly impossible to get without ed include boots of the soul walker(which Kane swears to us can be gotten in 2 different ways but no one I know of has found)
Those rare items were at auctions and on specific events, along with the evolution coin stone and raffle stone.  The stat scroll drop on the harrower and are available in game. Granted I have been here roughly four months so not long but I have a lot of veteran players who claim to have NEVER seen anyone get a 50 stat scroll.


 I agree with Kane when he says that the higher tier items should be hard to come by, but I think some of these right now might be a little too hard, just an opinion.  Something else that I think would help newer players would be to adjust the drop rate for socket scrolls. When you consider the number of new players who want to socket gear at 5 sockets per item and then the number of socket scrolls floating around it is a pretty bleak market.  Socket scrolls are meant to be hard and make you have to craft and get from the bod rewards!  And I don't profess to have answers for it all, I don't know what the right move would be for any of these things. I just think if the topic was to be discussed about which items to change that are almost exclusively bought from staff that these items should be on the list. Anyone can feel free to correct me if they have had better results with any of these items or if I am flat out wrong.


Many of the new items we create are originally offered as a free bonus item to encourage donations.  A month after, we do add the item to the game for ED and then we introduce the item into a quest or some other creative way for players to obtain in game. 

+50 stat deeds I believe can be obtained from the Harrower and I have no idea on the Boots of the soulwalker. I agree there are some items that cant be obtained ingame aside from auctions. Luck Deeds, Pickaxe of Ages, ect, I do agree somethings are difficult to obtain but once it is found it usually becomes common knowledge pretty quickly We will find it and then we will help others get it Zoltan

@ Zoltan, you are not incorrect. the Majority of custom gear/items is NOT available to obtain by gameplay as far as I know. Soul walker boots being available in game is not something I had heard before. You can get Pharoah Sandal in game. Same stat, just not socketable. ALL ITEMS ARE AVAILABLE IN GAME!

Gear wise, the "endgame" gear that I know is available in game. Kas and Magi Armor. Mirror Shield, pharoah sandal (not many foot options regardless)

The Fire, Moon tali are said to be in game (cannot confirm. have never got a drop). and the Genesis Neck is said to be available, but again. I have never got the quest piece to drop. YES THESE DO DROP!

**edit**
forgot the Dragon cloak, Karate Belt is available in game, but I do not think any non donation ones have been completed yet.
also forgot the Mithril gear from Mithril dragon quest. some of the pieces are nice

As far as gear that is about it. Other may have some to add.

I know stat deeds come from Harrower, I was just trying to touch on the rarity of them. Though with the Harrower I know that it will drop one scroll per person will drop no matter how many people you have so maybe the key to getting them lies in having massive hoards fight the thing. Biggest group I ever rolled with was about a dozen and most of us got +5 and +10. Highest after 6 or so sets of skulls was +30. Maybe a better solution would be to leave the rarity of the +50 alone but change Oaks spawn timer or make his skull 100% chance. I don't know if that's any better an idea but it's a different one.

Had anyone been able to buy 300 or 400 luck deeds in the last month or so? Feels like supply atm is 0. Those, who donate, using them on their own gear. And if Kane makes even more stuff relevant on the luck, then non-donators are completely screwed. Am i missing something? Can i buy 300/400 luck deeds from the staff for ED?


Max luck on an item is 200, there have been special luck deeds for the 3rd and 4th anniversaries as well as at auctions on occasion.  You cannot buy these deeds, they are a bonus reward, at auction or holiday in general.  This is why they are rare and hard to get...FYI you are not SCREWED...huge exaggeration of the situation.  You will have an opportunity to get the deeds in the future just like everyone else!

The 400 luck deeds were only available for 4 year anniversary month.

100 Luck deeds were available (and still are as far as i know) from ED stone.

I never bought luck deeds. so have no input as to how available they were being sold and now. However, there was that ED stone exploit. Perhaps certain individuals were able to sell a steady supply for a time.

Luckbox;  the luck deeds dried up a bit because they weren't on the donation bonus items for the past two months.  They are back on the list for Aprils.  I am not saying you should donate to get them, merely pointing out the supply may increase this month.  You should also ask if more can be placed in the auction for this month for gold or ED.  I also have never seen such as a group of hoarders as we have on EVO (yes I admit it I am guilty too).

Okay, I see everyone's point.  Please, stop attacking each other, this is meant as a discussion, not a rant-fest. *swats you all*


Okay, there are actually several issues within this discussion:
1. Pvp
2.Gear
3.Donations
4. Time
5. RNG
6. Staff & Players


Time: Lets talk about time, as in what is the real currency of the game.  UO is NOT a NOW! game, it never has been; its a game of longevity.  I know in todays world, the games created fend the NOW! mentaility, but UO is the grandfather of them all, where quality mattered, hence how & why its survived to this day.


Some, cant accept the longevity, so they by-pass it with donations, that is their choice.  But that's also the point, everyone must choose how to spend the real currency in UO: Time. So, in truth, its all about choice on how you wish to spend your time.


Donations: It is NEVER required. If you can & want to donate, do so, but not because you feel forced, its your Choice. There are perks to donating, yes, but they aren't necessary. I've gained everything I needed via time & hard work. I do thank those who have donated, they help the lights stay on, so I can play & relax freely here, but I don't feel I owe them anything, its was their choice.


Gear & RNG: Look, there are many forms of gearing up, & in many directions. Quests, exploring, killing &/or RNG. I dislike RNG, Sage's is horrible,(its better on my alt), but I am gearing up, the gear is "out there", I just need time, you just need time, we all need time: our real currency.


PVP: I dot do it, I know many of you who do.  I want you happy, I want everyone happy.  I remain neutral so I can best help you all in the flow of newcomers.  I don't care whose a "good guy" or "Bad guy", I support you all.  2 things I fully understand about pvp: 1. Everyone will do it consentually or not, at sometime in their gamelife. 2. Its actually the endgame of UO. 


No one can walk onto a server an instantly be top dog & PK the other top dogs.  It takes time to hone skill & gear. I know some who come just to PVP, that's good, excellent even! but you'll still need the currency of time to grow. I would make a suggestion, I've said it several times: you want playmates, help them grow, otherwise you'll be lonely & hungry. I know that pvp is ego based, but what good is ego, if your alone? Try to get along, have a touch of manners, itll go a long way in retention of your fellow PVPers & your potential "food". I want YOU happy! *hugs*


Staff: As I understand it, all the staff are here voluntarily. So, its their Choice to be here, to help the server & to help us.  Don't bash them, we are all human & fallible.  Work with them, share info, give useful feedback/data, but being rude, demanding or disrespectful hurts the server & ourselves. Remember, they are here by Choice. 


Players: We are all here by Choice: to play in an environment with fellow humans on this server.  If you dislike people, then go play a solo game elsewhere.  When humans gather together is becomes a community/society. We all accepted the rules provided by the games' owner to be part of EVO. By coming to a MMO, you agreed to be part of its' community, with standard human morality. General rule of thumb:treat others how you would accept in being treated.Everyone has their choice of playstyle, or even roleplaying in persona. But, careful in how you choose to be perceived, cause you can very easily get "locked" into that role.


It is your personal choice to if you play EVO or not.


Thank you for the well-thought out and informative post!  I appreciate the positive support

*Delete*

Clearly I am wasting my time...

so sad, too many topics, you may want to make 1 post per topic, this ones too chaotic to prove beneficial.

Sage, those topics are all related.. discussing them isolated is probably pointless.

Kane, dunno what turned you away from discussion, was it Sage's comment? If you want, i can *slap* her for ya!

So as i understand, we can expect changes to parry and eval to lower the gap between vets and newcommers in PvP.
And what about luck deeds? If you make luck even more important in other areas like crafting, those will be even harder to get and atm afaik these come only from donators.

   Hey, Luckbox ...  that comment about Sage, is uncalled for.  The forums are about ideas, opinions, and discussion. Kane would not want you to slap anyone. More then likely he wants nothing to do with your post.

  Sagemoon had great thoughts on your main topic. What this comes down to is a spoiled little troll, who needs to be put in his place. I hope Kane and anyone else with sense of mind, ignores you. I know I will be. Do us all a favor, grow up, then play at the adults table. Thanks.



    --Sturger!!!--

Sturger, the only troll here is you, sticking your nose into any topic without constructive feedback.. And dunno if you know Sage ingame, but this is pretty common style of jokes and I bet she knows that I wouldn't even think about saying anything bad about her, as she was one of the people who helped me on this shard.. so your comment is totally irrelevant, sad that you can't recognize humor. Btw what's your nickname ingame?

Well again I am going to repeat myself...


Donations are optional and always have been, EVERY item is available through multiple currencies, auctions, secret vendors, players, crafting, holidays, anniversaries, house drops, voting, special events etc.  And for clarification AUCTIONS are a way to get rare donation items for gold in-game


Donations only make obtaining items easier and helps pay the costs of the server, those players that support the project allows for the server to be free for all to play.  You can still have fun and enjoy the game without the top items, rares and donation items, you can still "win" without that gear...


Again why would you complain about anything on a FREE server?


Kane spends thousands of hours of time to entertain you all, the staff plans daily events and answers hundreds of player questions and complaints daily.  We do try to listen and evolve the shard in the best interest of the community, and don't generally cater to one individual. 


Luckbox, Im sorry you feel this shard is not to your liking, and if pvp is your focus this may not be the shard for you.  We have a unique system that may be different than you are used to, but we are a CUSTOM shard and don't claim to be otherwise...


I would be happy to speak with you in private about specific changes, but the general unhappiness that you are displaying here on the forums is hard to respond to and disruptive.  You are making claims and accusations that are not true and blaming staff for not instantly making changes YOU deem necessary, but are generally not in the best interest of the shard.


As was stated earlier, some of the changes were directly related to YOUR behavior and style of gameplay.  You along with other players, were camping a single hot spot and caused a bottleneck.  Players repeatedly complained about you specifically.  After several weeks of discussion and watching this issue we did move the spawns, make multiple locations, added longer spawn times and random locations to deter this behavior.  Im sorry you are offended by the changes but it did balance the issue and made the shard more fair for all players.


Please if you respond further to this tread, or need more clairification about the changes, stay on topic and be specific and I will address a each issue

IMO complains like this should be adressed directly to Dante, less frustrations for everyone.

So back to the issues I addressed:

1. Dead PVP.
Unfortunately Dante can't admit that, although Kane clearly understands that and he already had some discussions (dunno with whom) and agreed to implement some kind of caps for parry and eval to lower the gap between vets and newer players.

Well again Luckbox, you have not read anything that I have written or my donation philosophy and don't seem to have an open mind for this discussion.  The statement  Dante can't admit that PvP is dead" is such a misrepresentation of my, words, actions and belief, it just astounds me that you can write such garbage and attribute that to me.  Anyone who has played on this shard, knows that a custom shard will always have balance issues in regards to pvp.  Everytime we add a new monster, item or event someone will complain about pvp.  It you are looking for the old style t2a pvp it will never be found here.  We opted for a custom system and will always be evolving, for better or worse, but I have always stated we are a development shard.  Agaim I am sorry that we do not cater to you style of shard!  Admittedly I was going to make this a pvm shard 4 years ago, but decided like you said, pvp is part of UO and we have been working on that custom system to be balanced for this shard.  WE ARE CLEAR ON EVERY ISSUE YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT AND I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY!  I have adderessed your issues in private several times before you made this a public forum topic and it seems you are not satisfied that we work on this daily, add new content weekly and are aware of the pvp issues...again what more do you want from a free server?

2. Uber long timers on quest mobs, denying ability to gear up for non-donators, increasing the gear gap between vets and newer players, which affects PvP etc.
Ok first the timers are not Uber long. They were set to limit the camping and number of items in game, based on the population and other factors.  We also added more spawns and spread them out so you could not camp them all.  The statement "denying ability to gear up for non-donors" is an absolute exaggeration and misrepresentation of this shard and I do not appreciate the accusation.



After the last mention of Spirilix here I killed him 2 more times.. still no sword. So it makes only 1 sword from the last 9 times. Do you still think that I'm paranoid? Also Kane, I should remind you, that it's not the first time when you make changes and not document them, so no wonder that Dante might don't even know about them.


This again clearly demonstrates why we were correct in adjusting the timers, you admit camping him and causing the issue...

awwwww looks like Luckbox needs a name change deed. Someone add an UN to his name. IF, and that is a big IF, there was anything done to the luck system on drops, I have to agree with those who commented about the farmers. It's bs that people think it's ok to do this. I ran into a house that had no less than 27 mirror shields locked down outside. And people wonder why the mirror guy is constantly moved? Grow up. 


Hey KANE!!! put spirlix on a random timer lol. or make his area a kill zone?


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

He is already in Fel and those who were whining have even less chance to get him. Also people don't take into account WHY i was farming him so actively.. I farmed him coz of stupid RNG on rewards: 3 helms out of 3 first turn ins would make anyone pissed enough. And i managed to get full set only after 15 turn ins. So you can imagine how many times i needed to kill him. Once again, all changes you made to him isn't a fix, it's a screw up for others and it's just not fair to put all blame on me.


You have no say in the drop rates of this shard.  We do take player input and suggestions, but you have taken this too far.  You have asked and we have answered.  The staff decided, as a group and with player input that this will be the proper rate on Spirilix.  I am sorry you don't like it and you cannot now camp it 24/7, but that is the real issue right?  You had it easy and were farming/selling an item and blocked other players from having any chance of getting it.  Then you make this a public issue with a false narrative and try and rally players to your cause by painting staff as bad guys for changing/balancing the shard to be fair for everyone?  Think about it...

First I would like to say that I think a player who puts forth the effort to figure out a creatures spawn timer, sets an alarm clock to 4, 6 or 8 hours, gets in game to kill said creature, shows much dedication and devotion they have for the game. Much props to any player who does this. I myself may not like never finding the creature up but it is much worse when only a select few know where something is and do not share that information with others. The game has and always will be a play to win game. To win, in my opinion, is having the good items, having an item no one else has or is super rare and most importantly being able to say you are having fun!  Now having fun can be interpreted in many ways for different people. What is fun for one may be not fun for others, What is fun for others may not be fun for one.
A little side note here: Calling out a staff member is never a way to get things looked at, modified or changed. It may be a good idea to post after sitting back and thinking about the situation. Type it up, read it, think about it, re-do a part or two, re-word things or decide to post after a calm down.

This was a Quote but I do not remember how to quote another player lol Unfortunately Dante can't admit that, although Kane clearly understands that and he already had some discussions (dunno with whom) and agreed to implement some kind of caps for parry and eval to lower the gap between vets and newer players.

You also must remember that some but not all of these vets have played the game and obtained their items through playing, buying from other players, auctions and events. Not everyone donates to get these items and the cap on skills I really don't like. With a no skill cap server the only way I see this working is making it a no skill cap for the base skill. Meaning you can get 120 in every skill naturally. Which can be extended to a higher cap by equipping magical clothing and sockets to reach a total in skill cap.
This is just an example and by no means a set or offered number:
10,000 base skill cap *by combining all skills to 120*
12,000 extended skill cap *by combining your base skill cap WITH magical clothing and sockets you can reach this extended skill cap*

Now I know what you are thinking, that's easy to get around. Turn down skills you do not want to use and once again you can raise that Eval or Swords to 300+. Not at all, If you look again it plainly states *by combining all skills to 120*, so if the check does not show all of your skills are 120 then you may not proceed to gain in the extended skill cap. Those Vets who do not have each skill to 120 would have to do the grind of obtaining the Power Scrolls needed and raising those skills before their extended equipment can give them the gains in the skills. This is just my opinion and thoughts.

Well, my thought process just ran out, guess it's time for me to go back to the "Peanut Gallery".

First off, Tiea, let me say that I FOR ONE hate the type of people who set friggin alarm clocks for every hour that it will spawn just to get/farm a quest item or drop that MANY people need. It ruins MY game play. About as much as cry baby trammies running around bawling because they got PK'd in Fel. Let me call the waaaaaaaaaaammmbulance!


Second... what in the HELLo kitty were you talking about on the caps? i couldn't follow that, you think THESE people will be able to???!


(I think the peanut gallery is quaking with fear in your presence)

I should point out this is kinda off topic but i saw something that made me think in the original post.


I have played here for... .. 3 years? ("The account is 989 days old")
I'm pretty sure i'm in the group of the longest still some what playing vets and still playing after a loss of (in todays economy)


I haven't noticed big good changes, sure you have added things but they're not .. that much of an expansion that makes the game more fun or more enjoyable .. most the time its just items and you claim its such a big update atleast everyone makes it out that way and it's simply not. hell the most change that i've seen .. Graphically? is the fact you moved the lottery stones inside of brit bank rather then outside where they have been since they were in the server.(maby one move prior) .... (ok off that rant)
I am always shocked when players write this type of rant?  Have you EVER read the developer logs?  Kane rebuilt the entire shard, made 62 updates in 8 months and have completely removed all the bug/exploits.  I am truly stunned that you have this perception of our shard!  Show me ANY other shard that has this level of content or development...there are none!


 I don't think the server is exactly pay2win i think its pay to "max" faster. a lot faster. which is a problem. because it leaves newer players not wanting to play...(atleast with pvp as mentioned prior) I remember when there were actual wars against guilds ... it was great so much story was created by players and its all gone now since the only way i can get the attention (reguarding anything lost) is waving a $20 infront of kane or dante's face. (obviously im broke so i didn't do that.) Do you really believe we run this shard because you wave a $20 bill?  I used thousands of my own dollars to make this shard and pay for it without any donations.  We came out of pocket for at least the first 2 years and thankfully the community now supports out efforts.  We did this before with no donations, we rebuilt with my own money during the revert and I continue to develop with or without donations because we enjoy what we do.  I am appreciative of every donation dollar we receive.  Don't characterize me in this manner, you obviously don't know me very well...

Why would you even comment here, you got the benefit of playing here for free, the player donations allowed you to have a nice place to play for 3 years without contributing?
I just find it ridiculous.. most the decisions made with the control over the server atleast. I don't remember where i was going with this. i just miss the old playerbase the old server and how everything used to be compared to now.

Again i do not remember how to do quotes, so the quotes will be in Lime Green
First off, Tiea, let me say that I FOR ONE hate the type of people who set friggin alarm clocks for every hour that it will spawn just to get/farm a quest item or drop that MANY people need. It ruins MY game play.

See, it's not fun for you but fun for someone else. Next

Second... what in the HELLo kitty were you talking about on the caps? i couldn't follow that, you think THESE people will be able to???!

It's pretty much the same thing you are doing now just with cap limits. Next

(I think the peanut gallery is quaking with fear in your presence)

Of course they quack with fear in the presence of their Queen. *cheesy grin*

you are boring me. (looks for something else to do)

First of all Luckbox ,


1) I am your own guildmate , maybe you know maybe you dont know but i stood against alot of person for you because of sprilix farming. I  said to everyone we are constantly making champs drying champs as teamspeak group or we do kill high end mobs all together and thats another kind of camping and i said all to he has right point to do farm a creature thats the reason it is moved to delucia so if pks wanna kill you can kill and get the mob.


2) You are not fair to developers and owners of the shard i really think that you really need to apologize for them cause if it is pay 2 win shard we would all see in game quest items at our dreams. Thank you kane for keeping high end items possible to everyplayer. About donation i did some too but i know lots of players ı helped they did 10 times or 20 times more then me and we have nearly same gear cause ı realy work very hard and i can show you the ways of how you make gold or ed. Doesnt matters of what you sell or buy if persons doesnt likes you they will overprice you or they will buy items lower prices from you. The key of getting gears or eds or money is being nice to all and do activities with all together wtihout being selfish.


3)About pvp part yeah it needs some balancing from my opinıon too cause when i have 250 parry and 200 swords and if amge hits me harder with 280 magery annd magery minus weapons what is the point of being dexxer. Mages are never created to hit harder as dexxers.


4) About harrower part ı agree with you luckbox cause we did as group of guıldmates or teamspeak players nearly minimum like 40 50 times with minimum 8 people to 12 people we never even see as high as 40 not mentioning about 50


The main part luckbox i agree with somepoints but mostly you are misguided and lost about what you really say be fair to people that really work very hard to create new contents for us or trying to mantain the server be free for all. Yeah some items are pain to get  but do you know how many times i tried to get 1 single kas gloves or do you know how much times i died to spirilix to find the ways to kill it and you are forgetting one thing vets show you how to kill it at day one or what items you need Thats because of we are a good community and staff of evo is our heart of community. You know me so far ı always be fair and honest to you and i honestly say you owe a big apologize to kane and dante


It will be my first and last write about this topic peace and love you all Any yeah luckbox including you too

First of all I love this shard. I love the interaction of the staff with the players and the addition of new content on a regular basis. I have played elsewhere and the staff gets lazy and people stop playing. Once people stop playing the shard tumbles and fails and all you have done is for nothing because you have no one to play with.

 When I started on this shard I was welcomed into NEW. I learned the basics of this shard.  Yes I donated to get the skill balls to jump start my character. And I did use ED to get my house set up. After 19+ years of playing UO getting skills up can be a bore and I wanted to get playing and not just sitting for hours working up skills.  Thank you for the New player package *Big Hug* to staff that set that up. 

 Getting top of the line gear is hard. But I get little pieces now and then and have slowly built Scarletlace's gear up. I do not expect to have the same gear a vet player has in the first few months of game play.  Working with my guild (G-R) on champs and hunting has made a world of difference. They protect me and Rezz me (lots of rezzing needed) and I have gained most of the PS i need and some better gear. Teamwork is a must.  I have an outstanding team  

Now for the negative:  Crafting. What happened to having gear with your name proudly displayed on it? I see weapons with names but I can't honestly say I have seen any armor with it.  All the gear is from PVM.  I can understand the frustration Luckbox is talking about. I feel you have to have the Gear to kill the Monsters that have the Gear.  And needing 240 to craft anything? Wow, I feel that it is nearly impossible without donating to get the +10 clothing to get you to 240.   

I will continue to drudge along and work to get better stuff and enjoy the camaraderie in guild and teamspeak.  May my friends and guildmates continue to come to my rescue and help me

Scarletlace

Oh un-luckbox... just quit crying and
SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP!

Dante, please don't mix 2 terms: farming and camping, sad that you don't know the difference between them..

Ok Luckbox, I have heard your complaints and let you rant, but after all this is my shard and I will not be insulted any longer.  When you say it's sad that I don't know the difference between camping and farming, it just provokes a fight...

I'm trying to let you air your grievances, but you are totally wrong in your accusations and frankly immature in your approach of communicating with me and staff.  I have an open door policy and answer all of my own pages.  I spend countless hours explaining rules, changes and adding info to the development logs for the enjoyment of the community.  No where does it say I have to be accountable to you for any decision that I make...and if the truth be told, I develop the shard because it's MY hobby and I enjoy it, pleasing you and the community is a pleasant side effect.  I really do enjoy when players are happy with our creation and enjoy the content, BUT when it wastes this much time and caused this much disruption, the only thing I can say is I'm sorry you feel that way. 

Go and try out all these other shards and see for yourself how amazing UO Evolution is and you may come to appreciate our staff and effort

The amount of updates released during the period of taken part of the time doesn't represent the overall quality of life for players. As to me, you clearly were focusing on wrong things while developing the content, coz as soon as you get into the lategame, it just SUCKS. Champs? Already fed of them to death. Tokuno belt? Repetitive and boring as fck, not talking about dragon cloak. And still, what's the point of having close to best gear, when there is no way to use it by competing with other in PvP??? That's when all PvM becomes just pointless.
Again if this shard "SUCKS" and is "boring as fck" then why do you bother to even play here?

And someone's point, that Vets were playing here much longer than me, so it's natural, that i can't compete with them is just bunch of BS.. What will happen after like 2 years? You will be saying the same thing, that i can't compete, coz they are playing here 2-3 years longer..

Dante, you wanted example of the another custom shard, so here it is: UO Forever, lots of custom stuff (gear, champs, dungeons etc), PvP, a ton of tournaments etc, forum alive, not 1-2 posts a week. Now look at UOE.. many afkers farming evo coins, 2-3 ppl spamming trade chat, few more ppl doing champs and few PKs.  So again if it's so great, why are you not playing there? The answer is we have consistent development, better staff, friendly community and limited pvp.  FYI they are not even in the same class or era of shard.  We are good at what we do and call ourselves a custom development shard, they are a hardcore t2a pvp shard...

i know, that UOE is your child and it's hard to admit mistakes, but as soon as you suck it up and rethink the strategy, things will roll into right direction. Peace!  wow, suck it up is your advice to me?

Luckbox if you don't like it >>>> THERE's THE EFFING DOOR!!! don't let it hit ya where the good lord split ya. We don't need ANOTHER cry baby here. Got enough of that already.


You want to stay? STOP BELITTLING DANTE! you are on HIS shard. So either put up and shut up or GET TO STEPPIN sonny boy.

Soaryn, are you done? if yes, then please stop flaming, you aren't helpin and looking silly.

Me + few more people expressed frustration over mentioned points, won't repeat them again. Now just waiting till Dante stop telling us excuses and say what exactly he and Kane gonna do about those issues. I guess, me and other people, especially donators, have the right to know where the shard is heading to and is it worth staying if simple pointing to mistakes/issues is taken as an act of personal insult and disrespect.

Luckbox, been reading this tread ever since it started and sorry to say you are dead wrong. Let me explain, the cloak and belt are awesome for players who do not wish to resort to sockets or need that extra set of stats to complete their gear.

From what i have been reading your main point is that the PVP scene isn't to your liking but where did you ever read or hear that this was a PVP shard? EVO is a PVM shard with a PVP ranking/tournement/event system.

So my feeling is that you want the shard to be fitted to your needs when in fact you need to adapt and learn to find something that suits you or find a shard that will fit you better. Saying that the shard is in bad shape or that it is heading the wrong path is very narrow minded of you.


Does the shard need to improve, yes, all shards do, but what you are asking is to change it to your liking or to shape it to resemble UO Forever, well like you said, it is Dantes baby, not yours or mine, yes we can make suggestions but demanding for a total rescript is mighty presumptious of you.

You have also critisized how Dante is running and developing the shard but what makes you an expert? Where is your shard? Im not saying you dont know anything about the subject but i have yet to read any constructive ideas and solutions on your part, only ranting.

I have seen many players come and go over the years, some have contributed to changing the gameplay, some have followed in the vets footsteps, some have carved new paths and some have dominated the PVP scene with little to no gear, PVP isn't all about gear but if you only take gear into consideration, a vet should always have a clear advantage over a new player, they have put in the time and work to get it all! If a newcomer wants to donate to avoid the grind, fine but they will never be stronger than someone who doesn't donate, they will only catch  up faster, period!


And since the shard is always evolving, even vets are finding themselves needing to redo gear, weapons and such all the time so wheres the problem?

Kane and Dante have done more with this shard since may of last year than any other shard has done in years so be gratefull to be playing here on a shard with such dedicated staff for FREE!

I would stop posting and start thinking about it all if i was you, the shard is what it is, imperfect like everything in this world. Reflect on what you are needing and wanting from a shard and then evaluate if EVO is for you and you still want to play here and be part of this community, but stop making demands and critisizing without any hard facts or any ways of improving on it, ranting is just pointless and disrespectful.

Thorgal


Thank you Thorgal, i could not have said it better!

Thorgal, as much as i respect you, but there is nowhere written that this shard is PvM only, so i'd ask to stop providing it as an argument. Also i provided facts, comparing shard's PvP activity 3 months ago and now. And if i recall well, you told me in pm, that you aren't doing PvP, right? Then i can't expect you fully understand what i'm talking about.

It stopped being my only issue, when more people agreed with me. So open your eyes, people!


Im going to make this crystal clear so you stop putting words in my mouth or talking like you represent the shard.  I made this shard, primarily as a PVM shard and added basic/controlled/limited PVP to still allow for combat and fun, but not allow it to destroy the community as I have seen in the past on the original production shards.  It was never intended to have the negative, nasty, rude style of pvp combat here on this shard.  I wanted to develop a nice community with aspects of role playing good vs evil and a casual style of combat.  I wanted to avoid the cursing, and griefing that was a big problem on many old shards.  I made this shard for ME because I enjoyed this style of play and could not find a shard like what I have described.  It looks like it was popular with the success of UO Evolution and the 4 year run at being the #1 custom shard with the highest population!  We must be doing something right.  This shard is not for everyone and over the years I have learned I cannot please everyone, so now I just please myself and if players like it, they stay and if they don't they go...

Yes, you were definitely were doing something right, cause i enjoyed PvM till the point when i encountered overnerfed quest mobs and suddenly dead PvP.

Ok, i'm done arguing, kinda expected that it will end up like this. Still hope that you won't be so stubborn and listen to the issues we talked about here. Peace.

Luckbox, dont think im trolling, this is a discussion, comparing EVO to another shard cant be done since it is custom and since you are relatively new here you might not know all the fact. When the shard started or "went live" many many scripts were used that dont mesh well with PVP, a lot of them were a mistake, even Dante will admit to that. But anyone with any UO expérience will tell you that druid, cleric spells, augments system, no skill cap make PVP unviable and are more of a nuissance then anything. If you read the about EVO section of the wiki, you will see it is not a PVP shard. That being said, even if i dont do PVP it doesn't mean i never did, abd it also doesn't mean i cant and dont comprehend the problem, believe me i do. But when i say EVO is what it is, its from knowledge of what was and what came to be.
About farming/camping, i cant argue on that, back when we had the luck goblin me and 2 friends pretty much owned one of the spawns, and 3 years ago, i got all the vecnas available, i knew titimers, camped and farmed the hell out of it. To me, its just putting in the time and hard work and i dobt see anything wrong with it. But, from the other end of the stick im sure the people trying to farm the mob or area would have been annoyed and frustrated.
A shards qualities and flaws are and will always be a matter of perspective, yours versus the other player's.
At this point imo, EVO is in great shape if you have seen and been through all its downfalls, failled scripts, but also its good come backs, adjustments and of course... EVOLUTIONS!

@ Thorgal +1

   I really do respect how you are handling this discussion. Amidst all the ranting, and raging, you are owning the narrative supremely. To be honest this post has been kind of boring until you mixed wits with Luckbox. I don't often get to say this in forums, but I think it applies [in reqards to Luckbox's attitude] "Some peoples children."

@ Luckbox

  Yeah, I called you a child there; forgive me. I call it like I see it, always have, & probably always will. Most forum viewers dislike that about me. I am a blunt minded person, and I know it gets me into trouble. Over time I hope you learn some of the things that I have. Manors and Respect for others would be a good start. Say it with me: "MaMa said if I don't have anything good to say then I shouldn't say anything at all" 

   Don't get me wrong here, we want you to express your opinions on the forums. That is what they are here for. But come on, you posted X amount of times, in this thread alone, and said nothing positive at all?

  As for me being a troll, and sticking my nose where it doesn't belong. Here goes. I was there for Sagemoon when she was new, and helped her as best as I could, or as best as she would let me. A simple FYI [if you haven't figured it out] my friends are my business. I don't know about you, but I stick up for me friends when I think they are being mistreated. Here is the catch. I don't know you. From what I can tell, I probably don't need to know much more about you to know I wouldn't want to be your friend. But I say that knowing the friends that I do keep, and though I could probably tolerate, or disregard, your immaturity [which you think is humorous] I doubt my close knit friends would give you the time of day.

  My name in game is what it has always been. Same name I sign my posts with.

  As for camping, go head and camp, especially in Fel. Pk's might find you there, or you will eventually get the junk you are after. But hopefully some day it might dawn on you that you're ranting here because you have min/maxed your way to the top and found out that the top of the mountain is built for the Veterans. Veterans who have climbed the mountain using only their hands and feet, instead of taking the Helicopter up.

 [Luckbox reeks of handouts] His attitude is why I never take them when they are offered or give them out. Instead I try to help others learn the game or gather the harder to get items with them. There are many ways to help the new players get started here. To each their own of course. I just see it this way, because of people I have know with attitudes similar to Luckbox's. My UO friends and I call them Gimmie Gimmies. (no I didn't make that up Luckbox)

  One final thought for you Luckbox, if you have read this far. I'm not sure if those magical pieces of gear you collected are account bound. But did it ever occur to you that sharing a camping spot once in awhile might make you some friends. Friends who didn't get the helmet but got 3 other pieces to trade with you?  Even if the gear is account bound, there is nothing more valuable in an online game, then a mixed culture of friends. Friends who can camp when your sleeping. Ha Ha. Learn to share noob is all I am saying.

  In closing, and for all; surrounding ourselves with like minded people/friends will keep us sane, but it is our shared differences that help us all to evolve.


      --Sturger--  <--- who I am when I am playing UO, always. 

Sturger, your post one more time proved that i was right about you being a troll. Your karma btw says the same.

Laughs. 

   I told you my opinion, which spelled out simply this: "I believe you are wrong Luckbox."

   This does not make me a troll. Otherwise everyone who has ever told you no-- before this-- or has ever disagreed with you-- before now-- is a troll. That is according to your philosophy of a troll.

   My [+/-] karma has nothing to do with how people view me in game. I post my opinions according to how I view other peoples opinions-- or ideas-- as well as, my own ideas on the Evo forums. Like you, I too, have the right to post my thoughts on the forums; just like the rest of the community does. It just so happens that people disagree with my assessments, or the ideas which I have post, more often then they agree with them. So be it. Perhaps I have made mistakes along the way, and picked on a few people, wrongly. I am human after all, please forgive me. I appologize when I make mistakes... do you?

   I, however, do not carry on as though it is everyone elses fault for the situations I have caused on the forums. Correct me if I am wrong, but how many of my posts have been hammered-- more then once-- in a negative light, by the staff here? As far as I can tell you have posted once, and have been hammered by staff a half dozen times. That's just for one post. 

   Like I said even Kane, Dante, and Expo have all politely told me NO a few times when it comes to my ideas. I respect them for that, because it is harder to say no to the people you like than it is to say no to others. The EVO Staff, as of this post, is the best around. They care about every player who is here to stay, or who is just passing time playing here for now.  When rules are broken, everyone gets spanked. When new ideas are needed to improve the game play, everyone has the opportunity to voice their opinion. (at least that's what I thought I was doing here) 
 
   The aspects of the shard -- some great, others broken-- are what we, and the staff, have to work with at present. But, it is the staffs objective to make the shard: fair, balanced, and fun for all. Not fair balance, and fun for some, or just the veterans, or only for the new players-- who might give them a donation. NO! The Evolution shard-- like it's staff-- Evolves! Perhaps it does not evolve in giant steps, but it is getting there with each new day. I have seen changes for the good of all here, and I have thought of some changes for the worse. That is life, however, but it is nothing like this trumped up crusade you are on to make the EVO shard your personal play ground, Luckbox.

   No sir. With respect to you. [Luckbox] EVO is my UO home, and I will defend it-- and those who dwell here with me-- with the steel of my words, or the steel of my blade. Please respect that which belongs to others. This shard isn't her just for you, or me, but for everyone. Tread carefully lest you step on the toes of those who are twice your match, in size and worth. Dante isn't just the shard owner, he is loved by all. If he isn't your friend, what does that say about your character? (BTW I was talking about your character in real life, if there was any confusion, not your in game character/toon)

   Friends are the true wealth found on the Evolution Free Shard, I hope you still have some, I know I still do.


    Sincerely;


         --Sturger--

Those are all great points sturger. Great job.

  Thanks Tim.

  Now to beat up some ogre lords...

Ladies, all of your epeens are satisfactory. No reason to argue.
I agree with actually some of the OP. I DONT think it's pay to win, but maybe that's because imma donating Hexs. If I had a say, in which I more than clearly do not, I think most of the mobs should spawn faster. But that's just me.

  I agree, with the idea that some monsters should spawn faster. I do not believe it is rare spawns or champion spawns that need to be spawning faster.

  As I do not know about all the spawns out there in EVO, I will end by saying that I'm sure some spawns might fall into a separate category. That category would be, plausible, for decrease of respawn rate.

  Perhaps a new solution could be considered. Rare monsters spawning more often, but in 1 of 5 locations?


  Any ways Thanks for reading.


   --Sturger--


 

Sorry, I don't normally censor or delete posts, but you are way out of line, have been caught exploiting and are now simply banned...

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These are the highlights of why you are banned, based on your own words:

I did read your donation philosophy and in some points, i think it is completely wrong.


I know you won't like this Dante, but honestly... You stole a game from EA, you cracked it and you are now making a business out of it. I think you need to ask yourself a question Dante, what comes first.. your profit or the game play. Cause when you choose the game play, your profit will be lower and your wallet takes the hit... But when you choose the profit to come first (and i believe that's the current situation), the game play takes the hit.

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"Now if i'll tell you, that i am playing 15 hours a day, farming at least 10-12 hours from that, i am very efficient in it.. I used various bugs that happened to earn lot of gold/eds (and before you start to shout for justice, i was one of the tens who used it.. staff knows and they did not care, just fixed it)"


FYI we also banned the other players that were involved and we DO care


"So besides breaking game rules, i recieved A LOT of items/valuables from players"


"So all in all, my rough guess is, that i got from all these sources around 300-350m gold and around 800Ed in these 3 months. And believe me, i farmed HARD, put my account at risk and used everything i learned in UO in last 10 years.. "


I'm sorry you feel this way, this is definately the wrong shard for you and are no longer welcome here.

I don't really want to feed into this thread more but really if you need hard evidence that this is not a pay to win shard.
*raises hand*


I've never donated for items, I do however like to be a very friendly and helpful player.
Which in turn has served me extremely well over my long tenure here at Evo.

Sargoth Wrote
" I used various bugs that happened to earn lot of gold/eds (and before you start to shout for justice, i was one of the tens who used it.. staff knows and they did not care, just fixed it) Im not going to be specific about it, im still playing, but im loosing reasons to play every day, thats why im saying this in public. So besides breaking game rules, i recieved A LOT of items/valuables from my guildmates and other people and im unbeliavable greatefull for that. So all in all, my rough guess is, that i got from all these sources around 300-350m gold and around 800Ed in these 3 months. "

That also contributes to the decay of the economy more than anything else you stated. If you and your buddies are/were generating unlimited gold/Ed's.

You say you were upset about people joining the shard and donating for all, Having better gear and Items, and than getting bored and leaving. On the flip side, I could say I am upset that someone who has played 3 months was able to generate as much or more wealth and get items than I did playing 2 years.

I am not mad, you do you playa! it's just that...you used some bad examples and wording when making some of your arguments. 

About your issue #5, Camping monsters.

"There are many players who needs this stuff, but there are only few old players getting it cause of farm" 

I partially agree with this in that only a few people can get it because of respawn timers and drop rate, and I have already posted my opinion on that. What I don't agree on is that you specify it is Old players getting it because of farm. 

There is a difference between sitting an area for hours waiting for the mob to spawn. And actively recalling/running into an area at random times throughout the day. 

I recall to area, if mob=up, kill../..if mob = not up, leave. simple as that. And I am able to get kas item, mirror shield, etc.   and I really do believe this is the method most people use. Who wants to sit in a spot being bored for hours??!

I guess my point on this is, just because someone is able to get some items does not necessarily mean they camped for it.  I am not saying people don't camp. as they do . I have seen them. and its pretty obvious (how can it not be if your afk at the spot for hours right).

Oddly enough, in the last couple weeks since this post was first started I have noticed that certain mobs are now seen roaming the world again. I guess the "camper" went on vacation. 

 I used various bugs that happened to earn lot of gold/eds (and before you start to shout for justice, i was one of the tens who used it.. staff knows and they did not care, just fixed it) Im not going to be specific about it, im still playing,

Ok I said I would not post on this thread again and I originally meant it. You blatantly state that you abused bugs and glitches to get what you got, dont agree with the cash shop, are happy to receive things from others, but dont think people need hand outs(speaking of those who donate). Ok First and foremost, You cheated to get where you are, how is that better then donating to get what we have. One you got your stuff dishonestly. You find a bug, you should report it and never use it again. PERIOD! With people gearing up through donations, atleast it keeps the lights on. I will admit, I have donated to get where I am at. I have donated alot. Now I dont really NEED anything. I am still here, not bored and still donating. Why you may ask? Because I love this shard. Donors are the ones giving you a place to play. You dont like it well guess what? I dont care, I have stopped caring about the bitches and gripes of little cry babies who think their method is better then everyone elses. Suck it up and drive on. I am actually rather appalled that the GM's allowed you to keep the assets that you CHEATED to obtain. Originally I thought you were a fairly good person but the fact is I am doubting that now knowing that you are proud of cheating the games systems. Gold is not entirely worthless. I actually use gold for alot more then I use my ED's for. Why you may ask? Because of that economy. You use gold for items, for keys, for ED, for socket scrolls, ect, ect. How is that a dead economy? Yeah someone can achieve greatness faster, that is ok. Also, I am damn well geared and even I can be killed by others. Granted that is because I am a dexxer and hopeless at pvp but that is beside the point lol. Sargoth, dont blame Dante for trying to get people to donate by giving them an incentive. Without us donating the shard very well may not even be here to this day and you would not have a place to play. Dante does not prioritize money over gameplay either. Have you even been online this entire month? He has had Kane working his butt off on coding for this months event, next months event, changes to help balance eval, bushido, and parry to give everyone a decent change regardless of playstyle, finding ways to improve on other features in the game, stability fixes as they arise, and much, much more. Stop trying to trash Dante or anyone else. All this is doing is making your arguements go in one ear and out the other. Also, Why are you reviving an old post that people have finally allowed to die? Seems to be you are just trying to get some attention, well guess what? You got it and not in a good way either. You need to try to do things the way I do. Just relax and let the good times roll.

Let's begin... again.    [Sargoth]


  1) PvP is not dead, it is perhaps not the way you and others wish it to be. I can, when I find someone in felucca, attack them... enough said.

  2) As far as items go, if they are in the game, then you can get them while playing, end of story. Paying for them-- via donations is the fastest way, apparently. Auctions are a secondary option, already mentioned. But what about: house drops, secret vendor stones, trading for them--via using gold or tokens-- or just killing others for them?
   
   Donations do not create the items... they are in the game (period)

 3) You've been open, and honest, about your opinion, here. I'd like to mention that I wrote, and rewrote, paragraph after angry judge-mental paragraph of what I thought about your opinion. I deleted them because angry is no way to write something. There was also this simple observation, which I found on the bottom left side of the disclaimer section of the donation page. It reads as follows: 

~RunUO is licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL), and is available for download from RunUO
~RunUO is not in violation of Digital Millennium Copyright Act(DMCA)in the United States, the file formats were publicly posted before the DMCA took effect.
~After extensive review and over 10 years of emulation, there has not been a lawsuit with regards to Ultima Online shard emulation.
~RunUO is not a 3rd party software, nor does it violate the EULA.

The following issues, regarding emulation, in fact do not violate the EULA of Ultima Online.

1.Usage of client files or data

2.Interception of the data stream between the client and official EA shards

3.Reverse engineering of the executable or data files

  and...

UO Evolution Shard is a non-profit organization, directed by it's staff, supported by it's players and funded by it's donators. All donations will be used to pay server costs, update the content and upgrade the hardware.
Donations are non-refundable for any reason.

Legal Notice: Donations are considered gifts to the shard and are not for any tangible items or merchandise. When you are donating to the shard you are giving money to support a hobby gaming site, not purchasing anything of value.

Need I say more?   


 4) You quote Dante by reminding us we play on a mostly PvM free server/shard --- this is basically your only relevant fact; and one that is not your own. Then you mention that you're a camper and an exploiter/cheater, who happens to also be a junior hand-out receiver --- potential fact, but probably not a favorable one.

  Next you complain about the Master hand-out receivers-- those of us who have disposable income and use it to move to the so called front of the line --- we all play the way we want to. You cheat, others pay to get to the front of the-- so called-- "Best Gear" line; while the rest of us just play, as best as we can, and have fun doing so.

   Finally, you complain about the Master hand-out receivers being bored, leaving it all behind, and once again bellow on about Dante reaping the donation dollars --- Let them be bored, let them pay the light bill, have fun for three months and  then leave it all behind. And finally, please read, my point of view, number three again... just to be sure you got it down.


   5)  Your point of view here starts off solid, but then it crumbles. New players are going to need gear, truth, but not hand outs. I remind you of your friend who is bored. If area's exist where items were a sure thing-- eventually-- how long before we were all bored? The grind is what keeps us all playing. You played 15 hours a day for three months and still were not on top of the food chain? Why do you think that is, a goal maybe? In my humble opinion 90% of people who buy themselves to the end of a game-- so to speak-- get exactly what they paid for. Nothing. You guessed it, useless one's and zero's, and lots of boredom.

  6) The real reason the rest of us play. The community, the staff, the custom content, the love of an old game, and a lot of FUN with friends and old graphics. This is truly the value of EVO, and I'm proud to say I am part of something that you can't buy with gold, tokens, or even ED's; a community of nerds. 


    --Sturger--


   P.S. I dare anyone else to say Dante is in this for the profit... dare you.      Cause he's not!   

Thank you Sturger for your intelligent and rock-solid post, I could not have written a better response!  I really do appreciate the support from you and the community!

I agree Sturger. Your post was absolutely wonder. Where mine may have come off a little strong, yours was mellow and relaxed. And Dante, we support you because we enjoy what you have made and love that even now some of our past is perserved in this shard and we are given a little extra something, something that was not around in our old days of playing

I haven't donated much... still with hard work and without cheating and camping you can gain end game gear. Cheating ruins the game and fun for all  Also donors help add good items in-game... many players buy for example mystery boxes and resell good gear. A tip for new players is to save gold and eds for rare items.. wait right time when good items are for sale. Example last auction better items were sold for gold. (lucky me i buy all gold to ed's)  Its good that some items are harder to get .. it keeps economy balanced better.


Nice points! Thank you for the post