This situation happened to me 3 times already, so i suppose im not the only one experiencing this.. So i believe this would need some kind of an explanation or possbily a fix.
As you probably noticed, HEXS guild joined the shard like 1 month ago. Heavy donation gave them full gear immediatly and they are interested in PvP.. I guess thats all fine, except their approach to a gameplay.
When i was doing champ and Soaryn appeared, i knew shes gonna attack me (which im fine with btw, its part of a game) and i kinda kept my distance (its not really hard to run away from her, lol) But usually this means, her HEXS friends coming and here starts problem with their griefing.. To be specific, Leviathan HEXS (blue) really likes to cast stone circle on me, to prevent me from running away from Soaryn, as well as casting walls and helping her by blocking me, while keeping himself blue. I would consider this a griefing.

You know, when i joined Evolution like 2 months ago, i was immediatly surprised by kindness of people and staff.. Thats what makes this shard slightly different from others. People are really friendly here. I knew that when i'll first meet a PK who gets my head, i might be angry cause of that, but when i actually died by YOLO's hand, he ressed me, healed me, talked with me a little and even helped to kill few mobs..  Now i usually die by his hand like once a week and i always laugh, cause i know he is doing it for fun and we actually both having fun because of the hunt and the action. He is being PK to enjoy the game and he cares for others and he is really good person, so even if you die, you are having fun and thats the main reason why you are playing a game - to have fun. But YOLO is just an example.. HEXS are the example of totaly opposite approach. They are avoiding to get red, usually running in party and their main purpose of hunting is to make you angry and pissed. They are trying to get fun for THEMSELFS, by screwing the game for others. These people we call griefers and i believe that every player who tried few other shards (mainly the ones without insurance and PvP based), you know this kind of people. HEXS probably got their ass kicked on some PvP server (like UO Forever or similar), so they went here, cause they got their full chars in no time with donation and the shard is more PvM based i think. That means easy prey..

Is this a way the shard goes now? ... We welcome a bunch of guys who started to play here just to piss all others?
The Evolution shard was special, mostly because of kind and friendly people playing in here (PKs, blues, crafters, fighters, staff.. everyone is so nice and that makes the shard awesome)... Is this really going to turn into just another shard with PK griefers who kills you in party (and with help from their blue friends) while saying "MWUHAHAHA, FCK OFF, WE GOT YOU, BWAHAHA"?
It would be a real shame...

Im sorry you seem frustrated, but for the most part the players are all nice and "role play" being evil.  Also most of your issues are well within the rules.  The part about cursing is not pleasant, but hard to enforce.  PvP is an exciting and necessary game mechanic to keep balance and protect the areas with key artifacts.  Think of pvp players as hard monsters with real intelligence that guard top loot.  you have to devise a strategy to avoid or defeat that obstacle

You can generally avoid pvp and even when you die you don't lose anything...learn how to pvp and you might find a new part of the game to enjoy!

Sargoth,


I am glad you are playing on EVO.  The best way to deal with these types of players is to ignore them.  Do not rise to their bait.  They will get bored and move on.  Simply move on to do others things.  The largest power players have is economic,  do not buy or trade with players you feel grief.

Mr. Sargoth,
      Good Morning. I would like to address the issue you have with My guild regarding "Griefers".  As can be understood, dyeing while doing a champ in Fel. can be very frustrating, to say the least. However,  to go as far as comparing or even insinuating that the Hexes are Griefers or are out to "piss people off" is well, outlandish.  As with all game play in UO, a major factor with pvp/pk in Hexs revolves around Role-Playing. Hexs see them selves more as a Robin-Hood then a Bad-Guy, hence we strive to stay blue, we keep an alliance with New Guild to keep New players green to us, and if you ask around we are known to help new players out (even going as far as handing out 1 handed 5 socketed weapons for free:)  I would also like to say that in my opinion Mr. Sargoth, Soaryn is an excellent Pvper, and although she had "friends show up to help", I believe this was due more to, unlike some people who prefer to play and do champs solo, Soaryns  enjoyment of playing her game with others. If it makes you feel better Hexs didn't get their "ass kicked on some PvP server" we got our ass's kicked on this one, starting day one. Instead of getting upset and pointing fingers/complaining/whining/blubbering we just got better.  Yes we like a lot of Evo players donated to support the shard we play on. With those donations we made choices that would assist with our style of game play. Donators keep the lights on, and I urge any players who enjoys this shard and are in a position to, please show your support and help keep Evo growing, those who can not, that's cool too just please vote daily. We can all do our part to help grow the shard.

I hope "this is the way the shard goes now." "Welcome a bunch of guys who play here to" have fun with others.  I hope this isn't going to turn into just another shard where people become selfish in their own game play, having no consideration for others game play. God forbid that someone else's fun interfere with yours instantly begin yelling "greifer" and attempt a witch hunt. Some people go to the mall to buy clothes, some to buy food, others may be getting shoes, and people even go just to look around, but the mall is their to accommodate all. UO appeals to some players for PVM, other PvP,  although I don't understand why a lot enjoy Crafting, I know players who are here just for the social interaction. But one thing that is true is UO accommodates all these people not just one. "It would be a real shame" if the mall decided to just sell shoes to people as well equally shameful if evo decided to just accommodate one style of game play.  With that said Mr. Sargoth, if in the future, you feel or even suspect that members of the Hexs are unfairly targeting, harassing, or are going outside of the guildlines set by Evo, I ask that you please contact me as well as staff as I assure you the matter would be looked into.           
                                                    Sincerely,
                                            Your Local PvP/PK Guild Leader
                                                     -Kendil Hexs
P.S.       Looking for a good PvM weapons? Need a +15 ring or high + cloth? Want to get your Hands of some deco/plants? Got to have that Aug?
                                                           Hexs Vendor Mall

As a new player to the shard I have seen the Hexs run around and pvp. I have also seen others who are much more annoying then them. Stone circle in this instance was used as intended not in a form of griefing. It is to immobilize the target. That isn't griefing. Helping a PK isn't griefing either. Pks often work in teams. Thats why Fel is free for all. If you NEVER want to deal with player killing don't go to fel. There is plenty of activity without such risk in Tram, Malas, Illshenar, etc. I've seen others on this server pking just as much as the hexs and yolo. I don't really see any difference between them. Yes you will get looted if you have items on you that aren't insured, thats part of the game. I don't think fel should be all fluffy and safe. I think that's part of it, go with a group for protection or be prepared to risk dieing. *shrugs* It is part of the gameplay even on OSI servers to me it adds another little bit of unexpected excitement. It's like walking through the shady part of town late at night flashing a bunch of expensive stuff, be prepared to get jacked.

Thunder - I agree the best way to deal with this kind of people is to ignore them. On the other hand, if i feel there is something that doesn't fit in here or someone who is making a mess, while others does not.. i try to open up a discussion at least. If i find out most people are okay with this, then its up to me if i'll try to ignore them or leave. If most people will share my opinion, then i'll try to solve the problem, somehow.. I just don't like ignoring the problem, if i feel there might be some

Kindel - It is more about an approach.. As i mentioned before, i die every week at champs by YOLO's hand and im always having fun... We got insurance, it is not about loosing something (except time), but you know.. When you see a red player (YOLO for example), you know hes going to attack you and he actually engage right away, there is a solid fight 1v1 and even that i always loose in few seconds (im horrible PvP player), i enjoy it and actually looking forward to kill or at least be able to escape from him one day , then he ress me, talk a little and go to hunt some more people .... But on the other hand, when blue Soaryn appears when i do champ and i say "Hello, want to join me?" .. She doesn't say a word and waits 1 minute nearby, then Leviathan appears (also blue) and Soaryn with his friend nearby decides to attack (which i might suspect she will do, but shes blue, so is Leviathan.. so who knows) .. And if i manage to run away from her, i got stone circled by Leviathan (who is performing harrasing action agaist me and staying blue) and they get me... Now im not having fun. Even if i don't loose anything and trust me, i don't care about the champ... im kinda pissed by this approach. Even if you are PK, you can talk.. even if you are PK, you could have some honor to 1v1 (trust me, i won't win) .. Even if you are PK, you could ress and say "Hah, good fight " .. Take it with ease and fun. To actually show you are doing it for fun. Do not worry about me being angry that i die... I understand the system pretty well and i know my risks when i go Fel...And im completly fine with them and with dying... But watiting as a coward, not saying a word, ganging and then spitting at my corpse is an approach that i seen only by YOUR guild Kendil, nowhere else. Thats why i made this post. Anyway, i didn't expect you would understand or agree with me, when my opinion is against your guild. I totaly understand you are defending actions of your guild as a guild leader... But think about approach to a game by other players and compare it to your approach.. There might be a difference and thats the point of this topic. And please, don't compare shard to a mall... Some actions are not welcome by majority, as well as selling poisoned food in a mall. So if there is a poisoned food that might cause troubles to some customers, im trying to open a discussion, if that could be fixed instead of letting it spread.

Jel - You probably misundrestand the point of a topic. The risks are fine, at least for me =) And if Kendil mentioned they are more of a role-players (can't understand the role they are playing btw.. maybe their role is to be a bastard ), then i don't see the reason why the good guy (blue) is helping a bad guy (red) kill another good guy.

Mr. Sargoth,
   
     Your comment or moreover opinion of how one should portray themselves when roleplaying as a PK/PVP in Fel. has been noted.  But lets back up a little and look at the word "Griefer" for a second. Now you feel you where being griefed by my guild because we killed you when we where not red, we did not res you, and we didn't do it solo. Most, not all, but most would not consider that greifing. Now I'm sure we can agree that if after your first post (the one where you said we prob. got our asses kicked ect) I where to call you a CRYBABY or WHINNER or lets say PANSY that would be a form of griefing. So how in good conscience while complaining about greifers can you drop names like cowards and bastards? In my opinion that makes you a "Kettle". Although I take your complaint seriously, I am sorry to inform you, that I can not guarantee that in the future a blue player in or not in the Hexs will not kill you, as well I can not assure you they wont do it in a group, nor can I promise they will res. you and then talk to you..... BUT  just to prove Im not a "Bastard" next time you are PK'd in Fel. Please PM me as I will come immediately and res you. I will then talk you and ask you if you are having a good day. I will then take you by the hand and lead you back to trammel. Now it is not my intention, or desire to have anybody not have fun or to leave the shard, but your ideas of what is fair and unfair are absurd................... Thunder I thought we where BFF's!! It hurts bro...really...I opened my self up to you.. and what do you do? Drive a steak in heart! 
                                                                                        Sincerely,
                                                                               Your Local PvP/PK Guild Leader
                                                     -Kendil Hexs
P.S.       Looking for a good PvM weapons? Need a +15 ring or high + cloth? Want to get your Hands of some deco/plants? Got to have that Aug?
                                                           Hexs Vendor Mall

*stake

I have to wonder how badly a "steak" in the heart would feel. Is it rare? Over medium?


Hugs & Cookies - Squishy

Zarolin, it has been established via Trivia that I am the worse speller on the shard. add spell check to the equation and that's what ya get!

You know Kindel, i appreciate the polite way you are trying to solve this even with a little irony and jokes.. But im still not sure you got my point =)
I played like 20 shards over 6 years of playing Ultima.. i experienced this attitude almost everywhere. I also played like a year on UO Forever, which has nasty playerbase and for your surprise, i liked it that way that time. No insurance and PKs everywhere, literally everywehere.. And when you showed a little rage after you got killed there, the answer was always same "HAHA, CRY MOOORE"  ... It was rough, but i liked it that way the whole year, cause i was in a mood for it =) ... But when i wanted to relax and you know, be a casual player for a while, i had to search a different server.. and thats how i found Evolution ... So for your information, for me this is just a game where i relax and im used to getting ress-killed 10 times and spending more time in a dungeon as a ghost than alive..  And i don't really care if its ME who gets killed by a blue... But what do i care about is, that Evolution has one of the best playerbase from all the servers i know.. Seriously, people (players and staff) are awesome here. And the only thing that is slightly pissing me off, is that guys like you are ruining this special playerbase by your actions. You are like black sheeps =).
There are no rules for this kind of behaviour, there is no need for them here, cause players have their common sense and respect each other =) Players here share the fun from a game with others. Thats what makes this shard special, i think =)

Mr. Sargarth,
   
                In your last comment you stated that in the last six years you have played on "20" shards. By your own omission that makes on average, you changing shards at least every 3 months. Now are we to believe that the problem with every shard was not Sargarth related? When the whole world seams to be wrong, you may want to take a step back and look in a mirror. Change can be scary, but player base on shards dose change. And although for the last few months Fel. Has been relatively safe place to farm, I am under the impression 6 months ago it was even more deadly than it is now. Although you feel there are no rules set for pvp I assure you Evo has outlines on what behavior will and will not be tolerated. I have no doubt that if these lines where crossed Dante specifically Kane would have no problem laying down the LAW.  I do feel obligated to state that I suspect your first post was written out of anger and it is semi apparent each following post has had a sense of back peddling, even as far as the latest one claiming you personally are not affected but moreover worried about others.  Fel. was made for pvp, things are placed in fel to add excitement. The 'players' who's morals you seem so concerned for understand this. A new player less than a week old has made witness to this fact on this very post.  Lets be honest.  Some people are going to get upset when they get killed by another player in fel. This has been true from day one. I know people are going to complain but to say it is some of problem that staff must take care of is what concerns me. I fear you are taking it personal and Not to bust your bubble ..... but I cant say their aren't certain players I enjoy finding in Fel. but before this post I didn't know the name Sargarth. I have grown tired of this banter.  In parting let me offer you a 10% discount on any one item at Hexs Vendor Mall good for the next month. one coupon per person.not good on black out dates. subject to change............
                                                                                     
         Sincerely,
                                                                               Your Local PvP/PK Guild Leader
                                                     -Kendil Hexs
P.S.       Looking for a good PvM weapons? Need a +15 ring or high + cloth? Want to get your Hands of some deco/plants? Got to have that Aug?
                                                           Hexs Vendor Mall

"By your own omission that makes on average"


I think you meant "admission" if he had omitted it we wouldn't know about it.

THUNDER please refer to  comment left for Zar.  FYI IT STILL HURTS BRO.... Deep deep deep pain.   Can't make itgo away..... YOU BROKE ME!!

LOL. I still have your back Kendil.

I can understand your frustration Sargoth, but the reality is that the HEX guys don't break any rules. People here got insanely comfortable going into fel because there are so few PK's on the server to begin with and those that are here are ridiculously friendly even while they are killing you. You keep bringing up YOLO, for instance. In my 16 years of UO I have NEVER encountered another pk like YOLO, who loots nothing and will rez you right after. To expect everyone to play by those rules defeats the purpose of Fel. Reds exist because some people get their giggles from letting you do all the work then stealing your reward. The game was originally built around this kind of savagery. Hell, long ago someone could kill you and steal your whole house. But I've gotten off topic, just because people got used to this shard not having "mean" pk's doesn't mean that the Hex's are doing anything wrong by playing the game that way. I for one would be completely disappointed if the staff did away with this type of play. Also if you hop into teamspeak from time to time I think you will find that Kendil and Leviathan are anything but mean spirited.

Just for the record, I DO NOT NEED HELP killing you. Also, excuse me while I dance in circles here shouting "WOOHOO!!!" I've pissed someone off!


I would have given you a full rez, but you ran to the stone. Please note that BOTH times I attacked you I LET YOU KEEP THE CHAMP. Next time I won't. Thanks for the insight.


Oh, AND I"M A FEMALE!!!

I love Soaryn.

I would just like to weigh in on this real fast. I know I haven't been around in a while but a few possible changes that would neutralize this is allowing players to pass through stone circles much like stone walls or paralyze fields, when you are not in combat with said person. It would prevent assisting without fear of going grey.  The stone circle was primarily meant for PVE, but it has always been used in PVP since I can remember on the shard.  Unfortunately making it a target for combat spell wouldn't work because players would just target the ground around the player and still trap them in.  I'm not sure of the process for these fixes but I'm sure other players could weigh in on it.  Just some food for thought. Also, keep in mind this is just a game, don't let it change your morals over something so pointless. BTW I do miss everyone


-Loial

Loial, Hope all is well and good, you are missed!

Aww , first drama thread I have seen on here in FOREVER. but it seems to have fizzled quick. 

@Zoltan,

It's not just Yolo. Pumpkin, Fek, Kenmyst (non grouch mode) and many others. We had a very "polite" bunch of Murderer's here for the most part. rez you, not grief, etc etc. There is some unspoken EVO PK etiquette that seems to naturally progress from generation to generation of PK'rs.

I also have never played on a shard where the red's are friendlier and nicer than alot of the blue's. It is every unique and cool feature to this shard. Hopefully it doesn't change!

I love Pumpkin. 

@DreadWolf
         Fek, and Kenmyst have abandoned you along with all the other "polite pks" outside of Yolo! Fel. is now under the control of the Hexs and their friends! Pumpkin is missing! You have no hope.
 Fek, Kenmyst  and Every other previous pvp/pker of Evo Hear This:
                                               
                                        STAY AWAY! You have no chance. These are our lands now.  Better your memories live on as "very polite" murderers than the "Has bins who came back and got squashed" For the world to read: The choice not to return lays proof to your acceptance that the Hexs are the superior pvpers and in no realm do you or did you ever hope to defeat us in field combat.
                                                                                            -HEXS       

In other new..................... Looking for a good PvM weapons? Need a +15 ring or high + cloth? Want to get your Hands of some deco/plants? Got to have that Aug?
                                                                                          Hexs Vendor Mall

Just to lighten this thread a little .. I never ment to offend anyone or start some flame here =) Nor to complain about dying or rules.. All i was talking about was manners.

I think Dreadwolf understood what i was thinking exactly...
"It's not just Yolo. Pumpkin, Fek, Kenmyst (non grouch mode) and many others. We had a very "polite" bunch of Murderer's here for the most part. rez you, not grief, etc etc. There is some unspoken EVO PK etiquette that seems to naturally progress from generation to generation of PK'rs.
I also have never played on a shard where the red's are friendlier and nicer than alot of the blue's. It is every unique and cool feature to this shard. Hopefully it doesn't change!"


The good manners are the rare thing that i only experienced on Evolution amongst all shards. Thats what makes this shard special.. and thats why i opened a public discussion about this subject, cause i want it to keep it special. Good manners, friendly and honest players, thats Evolution =) Ofc you can play PK, ofc you can kill me every day, i will have fun fighting and dying that way... But behave as a grown-up and honest person and not as a jerk =)

So yeah, i think we all understood each other and even that this is nothing against the rules, i hope the server won't change into "just another shard with good players and bad players" I hope Evolution will stay special with this. =)



I wish you a great day everyone... and be nice to others 

I love Thallos.

  Yay! I'm late to the party. (winks at Emperor Norton)


  They say that the pen is mightier than the sword, and I agree, but only if some one is reading the words printed for the masses to observe.

  So, it is the sword you must carry into the fray, Mr Sargoth; and if this does not suit you, bring friends, mercenaries, or pets to safe guard your fun. There is plenty of friends to be made here. I am simply suggesting we all make a few if we are venturing to Fel.

  What this whole post boils down to is opinion. If some one suggested that you had to play like the Hexes, Mr Sargoth, how would you feel? After reading your posts on manners, I simply remind everyone of the RP aspect of being evil. I doubt most villians have the luxury of manners.

  I think it wise to skip our opinionated points of view in this case, and continue on with each of our individual, or group, points of interest. If it becomes impossible to maintain those points of interests, solo, well logic might suggest a simple solution. (find help in game, from other players, not on the forums) 

  In closing, Mr. Sargoth, I am not calling you out, just simply sharing some advice-- according to my personal point of view.  The fun must flow!


       --Sturger--


    P.S. UO was never about playing an MMO solo... something I think a lot of new, and old players, have forgotten. Kudos to the Hexes Guild for keeping group play alive, but remember there is always a bigger fish in the sea. 

All I've got to say is wait until i get my build/equipment fully operational. People who want to solo champs in fel will be in for a rude awakening. There will be no mercy. There will be no res and let you finish the spawn. It will just be swift, constant ooooooooooooooo.

You may ask why would I play like that? It isn't because I am a griefer, I'm not a dick, and I don't like making the game unenjoyable for others. The reason is simple: Ultima online is an mmo. It is meant to be played with others. Guilds are supposed to do things together, hunt together, etc. As it stands  most  guilds have members who run spawns without even so much as informing their guild members for fear of the lesser amount of power scrolls. Constantly getting killed may make people more inclined to bringing guild mates along, and playing together. Rouse the troops and fight back, etc. The game is more engaging when you play with others. Having a common goal of defending yourselves might just force most people to start playing together.

Would love to see more, and more content pumped into fel for that specific reason.

You know why I'm here.

By the way, Kane, Dante, Expo, Zeus and Joker, There was no actual curse words in the instance being discussed here. Well not from me or my "buddies" anyways, I seem to recall the OP saying "fck off" a few times and another of his group... actually, it was the "savior" they called in, who was slaughtered as well, who said "fck it!!!" and ran.
I will note here that my curse spell has %&#* or something like it as the spoken part.



seriously, how is it griefing if it's, technically, 1v1 or, as it was in khaldun, 1v5?


and FOR THE RECORD, I do NOT party pvp unless we are doing vs. in the field for FUN. Neither instance where I casually ran up on the OP was I in a party with ANYONE.


So stick THAT in your hat and call it macaroni!

Yay to new/more pvp blood on the server!


I understand that my definition of "griefing" is tolerant to much more "harassment" than it seems what was done here, I see pretty much anything that is not specifically outlined in the EVO server "Fel rules" to be fair game.   That doesn't mean I practice any of the "griefing tactics." 


I simply see it as purely "game mechanics" where players are using tactics available to them as intended, or as they are unintended but without any specific over-powered bugs being used.  Though I personally think Fel players should mutually respect certain ways of playing (ie: no pets, no stone circle, no scripts, etc) it doesn't mean that that will be followed by all.  [size=78%]Stone circling, harm spams, level 100 ranged throwing weps with dismount abilities, one-handed ranged bows with lightning/magic arrow/fireball/velocity/balanced with sheild and huge parry, evil omen/double curse to drop armor, are all SUPER lame, and I personally stay away from it all (except the harm spam,)...but it's all the mechanics of the game and in my opinion and perfectly legally as subject of the server rules though not so legal as subject of "cool players" rules. [/size]

In the end all this talk is great for pvp!  Believe it or not this kind of stuff doesn't scare players away from Fel, but it attracts more players to play together to counter any "griefers."  It adds to more out of game and in-game discussion about tactics to do champs or fight if raided or how to cross heal in the field, etc.


PS: I prefer playing alone too Soaryn :]

pigyn no offense, but you use pre aos stun locks.. lets not talk about pushing the limits. =D

oh and Sargoth? Let's face it, you would have died MANY other times if Volundr hadn't come to your rescue in Despise. I know a real challenge when I see one and there was no way I was set up to take Volundr on. So your plea to him saved your butt.


 

Where have you HEX guys been the last week or so? We've been needing some good pvp fights.

The solution to not encounter problems with pkers are to change spot , always roll 20 deep , be patient in the evolution of your caracter, change the hours you play , train your pvp skills and get good scripts .

Ho yes and you can also hide in the forest whit a group of friend and kill boars wait for the staff to bring the the Sword of Thousand Truths  to your dad that he may save your Char and the World of Uo evolution