Discussion in   General Discussions   started     10 years ago   September 25, 2014, 11:10:29 PM   by   spainkevin79

Forclosure of a Dream

spainkevin79
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Topic :   Forclosure of a Dream
10 years ago  September 25, 2014, 11:10:29 PM

     I'm gonna drop being nice for a minute. I was yelled at today because one of my guild mates was using a macro that I designed in a way that broke the rules. I didn't like that. I designed that macro in a way that would not break the rules. I designed it to work with Kane's fixes to the server. Weapon swing speed is capped at 1.25 seconds per swing and it was designed to throw one potion per 3 swings. Thats 3.75 seconds. I remained professional and didn't raise my voice, but to be honest it really pissed me off. Especially considering the hard work I put in to it. I test all of my macros, thoroughly, to make sure there isn't a problem. After being informed of the problem I was able to finally, after alot of testing, reproduce it. I am telling you all this because I want you to know why I have decided to post this today.

     Let me take a moment and explain my situation with a little more clarity. I had been approached about teaching people how to fight back or even survive in a player vs player environment. I was all for it. I have read every single .cs file in the runuo code. Top to bottom. I am not the developer that Kane is nor do I intend to be, but I read that code better than some of you read english. I had hoped that one day, I might clear up some of the mistakes that people make when switching from osi to runuo. I had also hoped to teach everyone the full extent of steam and its macros. Perhaps even create a library of macro subs, so that people could create their own macros with absolutely 0 knowledge of macroing whatsoever. My problem with this though, is who would listen to me? I left Evo for an entire year and when I got back no one even knew who I was. Thats easy to fix. I just have to go out and make a name for myself. So I created the Dark Brotherhood.

     Let's talk a moment about what it means to role play. We have been hearing that alot lately. RP this RP that. I decided the best way to make a name for myself again was through sheer notoriety.  It's not the nicest way to do things, but it is the fastest. I actually like most of the people on this server. I even like most of the people I bash on the forums. I don't really dislike any of you. I just pretend to in order to further my goal of inciting an all out war against us. I had planned to dominate for 3 weeks, then tone things down dramatically. From that point the intention was to use alts to play my assassins as intelligent monsters. We'd have the hatred necessary to make the people we were fighting against enjoy killing us. I had even hoped to recruit other people to help us in this reguard. Several non-pvpers were interested in helping with this. We'd then be able to pull out our main characters on rare occassion and truly fight back. Just to keep the cauldron stirred up. It would have been a great chance to have some solid pvp action with some real fire behind it.

     Here's the problem with that though. Pure dumb pride. Some of you can't handle that you don't know everything about this game. Some of you cry every time that you lose. If you're not the best they must be cheating. Well you're wrong. I'll explain this. The macros I designed were not designed to kill you with pots. They were designed to kill you with a weapon. It's a straight dexxer build. The pots were only there to confuse you and create havoc. Crimson Reign hadn't been on the server 12 hours yet and figured it out. He reached out to me and explained my build to me in detail. He was 100% right. The rest of you were too caught up in your own delusions of grandeur to see exactly how it worked. I knew you would do that. I planned it. I had planned it from the beginning. We master minded the whole situation with pots being an exploit with the intention of confusing you after it was fixed, and you all fell for it. Oh and as for the claims that we found a way to make pots stick to people, it only looks that way because you are moving from an area damage effect at high speed. Try casting holy light while running and you'll see the same delay in reverse on monsters.

     So everything went according to plan... if thats the case then whats wrong? The problem is this. Since I started playing on evo 2 years ago I dealt with constant whining and complaining. 2 years later i am still dealing with it. The story of Evo pvp is not one of conquest. It's a story of bickering and whining and complaining. It still is. Looking around at how everyone behaves, I have decided that it is best to disband the dark brotherhood. If you think that means you've won then you're right. I'm taking my toys and going back to trammel. At least there I don't have to hear so much damned crying. The pvpers on this server are not half the people that the non pvpers are. I'd rather sit around with a bunch of crafters who know their craft than a bunch of pvpers who can barely type a coherent sentence.

     So there ya have it. I can't speak for the other two members of my guild but I am done with pvp. You're lucky you only fought 3 of us instead of our entire guild. I had the option to bring on 5 more people as strong as us. I chose not to in order to balance the power scale. I'm glad I didn't waste their time. So enjoy your victory and I hope you choke on it.

     Oh and so you know, someone far worse than us is coming back to Evo. I was gonna counter him, but you deserve whats coming. The lost son of Imitatores Draconum.

     
     

Kane
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#1 Re :   Forclosure of a Dream
10 years ago  September 26, 2014, 09:58:01 AM

You failed to bring up the number of exploits your friend was using or that your IP's were linked to different accounts.   The conversation yesterday was based on my concern that when dealing with this cheater I will be forced to remove multiple accounts belonging to multiple different players. 

I apologize for being concerned over that but I won't make that mistake twice.  Any threat to this shard will simply be removed, it will be that simple.

spainkevin79
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#2 Re :   Forclosure of a Dream
10 years ago  September 26, 2014, 10:14:49 AM

     We covered that Kane, thank you. I appreciate the time you took in speaking to me about it as well. I know you are busy. The problem here wasn't the staff's response. It was the community response. We are a 3 man guild. I can't log onto everyone's computer and make sure that they are using everything exactly the way I set it up. I was also more than helpful in trying to remedy the issue. You told me that you'd leave it in my hands as to how to handle this issue. Well I have handled it. I won't be held responsible for the actions of someone that I can not control.

     I also tried to help as much as i could with the ip's being linked together. I gave you as much info as I could and would be more than willing to give you direct access to my rig. I am not trying to prove anything in that statement, but something odd is happening with the ips and I am still researching as to what could have caused that. To be honest it is probably something that I did. I like to tinker with stuff. Would a cartographer server cause this issue? I don't think it connects directly to the evo server but I dunno. Maybe.

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I apologize for being concerned over that but I won't make that mistake twice.  Any threat to this shard will simply be removed, it will be that simple.

     I'd consider my response in this matter to be more constructive than the players submitting multiple complaints over multiple accounts. Considering they have a history of this over a 2 year period, will they be given the same ultimatum? It matters not to me. I, personally, will never pvp here again. I will say that you and I seem to see eye to eye on alot of things. I don't want you to take this as a personal attack against you. I just feel that pvp in and of itself is toxic. It just poisons people and brings out the worst in them. Thats the real reason I am removing myself from the action.

     The fact that staff has to even talk to me at all about my methods is troubling to me. I'd rather be remembered as that guy who could solo the 7000 hp fire breath dragons, than the guy who got banned because of a pvp complaint.

KrazyG
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#3 Re :   Forclosure of a Dream
10 years ago  September 26, 2014, 01:31:18 PM

Sounds to me like you guys got caught  cheating exploiting and loopholeing the pvp system yet again. when will players like you ever learn. Admiting you and your friends took advantage of the pot system is a shamefull act. and of course when the PVP guys whom play fair and legit see something out of the ordaniary of course they will speak with kane and dante its called balance. OHHH but in your eyes it was ok to run around with 2 others and {Insta Kill} others mise well bring back the sami kats so we all can just one shot each other and say hey.. thats fair its a game stragaty and tactic when really its just all OP bullshit. all i hear form your posts Soulsunder is that --- Me and my friends got caught doing bad things so now we have to leave the PVP sceen cause its no fun now to domanite ppl and players without playing fairly. enjoy your trammie land.


See You In Hell {KG}.

Crimson Reign
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#4 Re :   Forclosure of a Dream
10 years ago  September 26, 2014, 02:01:05 PM

Intelligence   >  Brute Strength

spainkevin79
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#5 Re :   Forclosure of a Dream
10 years ago  September 26, 2014, 02:49:54 PM

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Sounds to me like you guys got caught  cheating exploiting and loopholeing the pvp system yet again. when will players like you ever learn. Admiting you and your friends took advantage of the pot system is a shamefull act. and of course when the PVP guys whom play fair and legit see something out of the ordaniary of course they will speak with kane and dante its called balance. OHHH but in your eyes it was ok to run around with 2 others and {Insta Kill} others mise well bring back the sami kats so we all can just one shot each other and say hey.. thats fair its a game stragaty and tactic when really its just all OP bullshit. all i hear form your posts Soulsunder is that --- Me and my friends got caught doing bad things so now we have to leave the PVP sceen cause its no fun now to domanite ppl and players without playing fairly. enjoy your trammie land.


See You In Hell {KG}.

Thanks KG for the example. That is the kinda nonsense that is forcing me to quit pvping. Notice the bad grammar? lack of proper spelling? The obvious fact that he glossed over my post and took from it what he wanted? Yeah I'm not gonna miss that at all.

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#6 Re :   Forclosure of a Dream
10 years ago  September 26, 2014, 03:55:44 PM

Imagine if i actually pumped my damage increase to 100% i was being nice staying at only 58%

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#7 Re :   Forclosure of a Dream
10 years ago  September 26, 2014, 08:28:51 PM

Sounds to me like you guys got caught  cheating exploiting and loopholeing the pvp system yet again. when will players like you ever learn. Admiting you and your friends took advantage of the pot system is a shamefull act. and of course when the PVP guys whom play fair and legit see something out of the ordaniary of course they will speak with kane and dante its called balance. OHHH but in your eyes it was ok to run around with 2 others and {Insta Kill} others mise well bring back the sami kats so we all can just one shot each other and say hey.. thats fair its a game stragaty and tactic when really its just all OP bullshit. all i hear form your posts Soulsunder is that --- Me and my friends got caught doing bad things so now we have to leave the PVP sceen cause its no fun now to domanite ppl and players without playing fairly. enjoy your trammie land.


See You In Hell {KG}.

By the way kg. I don't exploit, u can ask kane n Dante i have been playing 100% legit this whole time. Not my problem i flying around my spaghetti, my spaghetti brings kg to the yard and he's like what happened n how did i get sauced n im like i didnt even add meat balls

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#8 Re :   Forclosure of a Dream
10 years ago  September 27, 2014, 05:34:29 PM

Sounds to me like you guys got caught  cheating exploiting and loopholeing the pvp system yet again. when will players like you ever learn. Admiting you and your friends took advantage of the pot system is a shamefull act. and of course when the PVP guys whom play fair and legit see something out of the ordaniary of course they will speak with kane and dante its called balance. OHHH but in your eyes it was ok to run around with 2 others and {Insta Kill} others mise well bring back the sami kats so we all can just one shot each other and say hey.. thats fair its a game stragaty and tactic when really its just all OP bullshit. all i hear form your posts Soulsunder is that --- Me and my friends got caught doing bad things so now we have to leave the PVP sceen cause its no fun now to domanite ppl and players without playing fairly. enjoy your trammie land.


See You In Hell {KG}.


You have ZERO room to speak about exploits KG... I know of an axe you were using. Knowing it was an exploit.. AND NO saying DANTE knows does NOT in no way change the fact it was still an exploit... Get off your high horse. You exploit just as much as the next person.


*Pot callin the kettle black*

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#9 Re :   Forclosure of a Dream
10 years ago  September 27, 2014, 10:21:18 PM

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You exploit just as much as the next person.

     Good to see someone from the outside stepping up.

     It's also a shame that no one has mentioned the laundry list of exploits and bugs I have paged about. I am writing this as I wait on staff to answer a bug report I just submitted. I have personally tried to offer solutions to many problems. Considering that I tend to fly under the radar it would have been way easier and far more profitable to just keep the bugs to myself. I even ran into a bug that caused me to lose my personal teleporter a week after getting it. I mentioned it to Dante along with all the details and possible reasons that could have caused the event. The one thing I didn't do was cry or whine or complain. Nor did I demand it back. (I did get a new one recently though :) )

     This is the first time in my history on the server that my name has been associated with an exploit in a negative fashion, and its even been said (by staff) that I was not seen exploiting anything. I understand the problems they face bug testing a server and they have nothing but my sympathy. If I get out of line all it takes is one word to put me back in it. How many times has staff had to visit you KG? How many warnings have you received? I bet its been a hell of a lot more than mine, which is 0. I was yelled at over a guild mate, not over anything I was doing.

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when will players like you ever learn.

     Exactly what should I be learning here? If you mean not to team up with exploiters then fine. Lesson learned. You're at the top of my list of people to never team up with.