I have been working to come up with a viable balance to the way parry works on UO Evolution. As you all know by now, parry is extremely broken. Some players have close to a 100% parry chance which absolutely breaks many features of the game - Especially those surrounding melee combat.


Before making any changes I am interested in learning how you guys feel about the current state of parry...

Any specific ideas in mind?

Any specific ideas in mind if you were to change Parry?

my concern is the folks who have spent ED to get these augments so their parry would be high enough to survive.  What happens to all that gear/ed spent.  As it stands now we can't remove augments from gear so is that gear going to become worthless because all it does is go way over the parry cap.

my concern is the folks who have spent ED to get these augments so their parry would be high enough to survive.  What happens to all that gear/ed spent.  As it stands now we can't remove augments from gear so is that gear going to become worthless because all it does is go way over the parry cap.

I like this proposed change. I think it would enhance both pvp and pvm game-play and provide a further balance to the shard.

I like it too. I think it will help the pvp side of the game for new ppl and bring in a whole new base of players to the shard.

I like this because people who are new to the game of UO would still have more of a chance to learn and build their char. This would allow us to learn the PVP and the PVM aspects more, without the fear of we cannot defend ourselves.

much of what you want to do might be fair in PVP , the PVM however when fighting a 65,000 hp monster and you have  ~ 200 hp  and they can do 150-300 damage to you .. 65% chance to parry = dead player . I fence and do archery in real life , good parry skills is essential for survival as well as reposting ( turning a parry into an attack) never understood the one hand  bow ..  a bow with a forearm buckler ok  some thing like an order shield would make use of the bow problematic . also many of the players solo , being able to defend your self against 2-5 pvp ers seems like a good thing

much of what you want to do might be fair in PVP , the PVM however when fighting a 65,000 hp monster and you have  ~ 200 hp  and they can do 150-300 damage to you .. 65% chance to parry = dead player . I fence and do archery in real life , good parry skills is essential for survival as well as reposting ( turning a parry into an attack) never understood the one hand  bow ..  a bow with a forearm buckler ok  some thing like an order shield would make use of the bow problematic . also many of the players solo , being able to defend your self against 2-5 pvp ers seems like a good thing

i trust kyns judgement, but i have no idea about pvp or pvm. i read the forums and it seems to make sense how it would benefit variety, which i agree the shard is lacking
i dont have time to learn about pvp or pvm due to the extensive waffle intake.

thumbs up 

All right Kyn!


Sorry I didn't post earlier. Sleep was calling




Anyway I think this idea is great. With you going in and adjusting those one hit wonders and turning things into more of a fight then a boring pet ressing death match.  I think would be great.


I'm a bower/dexer and this effects these types of players the most.  I love my bows.  But with the lack of options as a dexer Its all about the parry with damage  AFTER the parry.  I'd love to be able to stack more damage and less parry.  That way my play style would be much more 'real' to me.   


I prefer to kite mobs. As it stands right now I can tank some (not all) with the parry I have. And just for fun I'll kite mobs since that is what I should be doing. Its much more fun to watch them die trying to catch me!  Then it is to stand there and let them beat on me.




NOW here is my one issue. We (bowers) have to allow the mobs to beat on us in order for self repair to work.  I went for a week doing the kiting thing with the dojo's as I wasn't high on parry and couldn't handle their hits.  My armor was not repairing at all.  My doom leggings got really low on durability. So low I paged.  They went up by 10 points by letting these mobs beat on me. They are still low at   135/200.  My vecna went from 127/255 and is now 222/255.


Hard to get items like these is something to think about Kyn. As this is would/will become a huge problem if items break.


Now I know your solution would be... put on a sword and board and let them hit you to repair..  Thats all great.. Unless its the bow that is in need of the repair. blah blah just repair it right.. well self repair is added for a reason!  And then us dexxers are forced to play sword and board just to repair items. Which in turn might  as well just stay that way as its taking me over a week of letting these guys pound on me just to get the skull back up to over 200 durability and I'm hoping my pants kick in soon.


So something to think about. Otherwise I love the idea.. But with this possible change.. the self repair system would have to be looked into as well. Or some wacko knowledge be let out that I do not know... (like thats hard to imagine)

Is Bushido still going to nerf parry rate?  Currently if you have bushido and put on a shield your parry rate drops to 5%.


Do you need a 2 handed weapon to get the 5% or 10% boost from having a high bushido?

So something to think about. Otherwise I love the idea.. But with this possible change.. the self repair system would have to be looked into as well. Or some wacko knowledge be let out that I do not know... (like thats hard to imagine)

Is Bushido still going to nerf parry rate?  Currently if you have bushido and put on a shield your parry rate drops to 5%.


Do you need a 2 handed weapon to get the 5% or 10% boost from having a high bushido?

i love this idea kyn, would make the game much more enjoyable for people i think because they would have a chance in fel vs the pvpers, as it stands now most pvpers have a greater  chance at killing people and never dying. Hope to see this change in the game soon

  For probably the first time in my life I can say this with a straight face. "If it is broken you must fix it"

  100% parry everything is clearly broken. I agree a fix must be applied. What you intend to do Kyn seems to be fair, but have you missed some vital points of interest, perhaps?

  For example: Do you intend to change the effectiveness of the parry augmentations as well as how parry works? Perhaps it is possible to limit the number of these augmentations in use, which could then solve the 100% parry everything problem posed?

  PvP related: OSI has a staple for having PvM/PvE and PvP standards where certain attacks work the best against PvM/PvE and are cut in half when used in PvP. I believe this is the route I would go, if I had any brains for coding UO scripts. It bothers me when I miss an attack and I am (completely) capped out in the skill involved. If I am continuously missing a monster or a player in this way, it kills the mood. I feel that PvP should be regulated so that there is a 50/50 chance of hitting or missing, and the rest is up to the individual to decide by what method they should use to PK.

 Also, as far as an increase in damage, due to weapons being 2-handed, I do not think that 10% DI is an incentive. Nor do I think any incentive need be applied, other then what already exists, when wielding a 2-hander.

  Lastly, in the case of 1-handed bows (which sound more like crossbows to me) I feel that 0% Parry should be supplied due to there being a 2-handed weapon being used and that there should be a steeper penalty for using a shield in this manor, that is less then the 50% max which you currently suggest.

  Thanks for reading along, and I hope this helps in some positive way.

  For probably the first time in my life I can say this with a straight face. "If it is broken you must fix it"

  100% parry everything is clearly broken. I agree a fix must be applied. What you intend to do Kyn seems to be fair, but have you missed some vital points of interest, perhaps?

  For example: Do you intend to change the effectiveness of the parry augmentations as well as how parry works? Perhaps it is possible to limit the number of these augmentations in use, which could then solve the 100% parry everything problem posed?

  PvP related: OSI has a staple for having PvM/PvE and PvP standards where certain attacks work the best against PvM/PvE and are cut in half when used in PvP. I believe this is the route I would go, if I had any brains for coding UO scripts. It bothers me when I miss an attack and I am (completely) capped out in the skill involved. If I am continuously missing a monster or a player in this way, it kills the mood. I feel that PvP should be regulated so that there is a 50/50 chance of hitting or missing, and the rest is up to the individual to decide by what method they should use to PK.

 Also, as far as an increase in damage, due to weapons being 2-handed, I do not think that 10% DI is an incentive. Nor do I think any incentive need be applied, other then what already exists, when wielding a 2-hander.

  Lastly, in the case of 1-handed bows (which sound more like crossbows to me) I feel that 0% Parry should be supplied due to there being a 2-handed weapon being used and that there should be a steeper penalty for using a shield in this manor, that is less then the 50% max which you currently suggest.

  Thanks for reading along, and I hope this helps in some positive way.

My thoughts, maybe good, maybe bad.

For PvE... With the custom monsters, there's nothing wrong with 100% parry. Very few people, if anyone, actually has 100% parry. I know I'm trying to get there, because I play meat shield alot, and it helps. Get paralyzed by Marikoh and abused with her sword for a few minutes, there's a reason for a lot of parry.

My thought is this, leave PvE alone, in fact, buff players, give us higher caps for stuff like SSI, DI.. things like that. We should be Uber. If parry gets nerfed, make up for it somewhere else, make the DI cap %200 and add imbuing so we can hit that cap. The monsters dont need more HP.
I don't really see how 100% parry breaks the PvE aspect of UO, there's still plenty of things that can't be parried. Id like to watch someone with 100% parry fight the mithril ancient dragon, I should be able to put the time and effort into maxing out parry so I can stay alive. It takes time, it takes effort, it should be rewarded, not nerfed.

PvP? Cap everything. Make the playing field level. Make Duels just that, duels, all skill capped at 120, and basic LRC suits with 70 Resist. Don't make PvE suffer for PvP. If people want to wave their ePeen around about how great they are at pvp, everyone should be exactly the same so its all skill, and not gear, and then newbies can do it too, without the gear deficit that was mentioned earlier. Either that or add swords augments, I don't know how the math on it works, but I dont think 100% parry is really 100% when fighting someone with 250 swordsmanship, could be wrong though.

Do I want parry changed? no. I didnt stop playing OSI so my skills and stats could be even remotely close to what they were there. I've still got a max of 70 resist, so I should be able to make up for that in other places, like parry. I could be wrong, just how I feel about it. When I think about how much effort and money it takes to socket a full suit of armor to max parry.... no, definitely not a fan of the idea.

My thoughts, maybe good, maybe bad.

For PvE... With the custom monsters, there's nothing wrong with 100% parry. Very few people, if anyone, actually has 100% parry. I know I'm trying to get there, because I play meat shield alot, and it helps. Get paralyzed by Marikoh and abused with her sword for a few minutes, there's a reason for a lot of parry.

My thought is this, leave PvE alone, in fact, buff players, give us higher caps for stuff like SSI, DI.. things like that. We should be Uber. If parry gets nerfed, make up for it somewhere else, make the DI cap %200 and add imbuing so we can hit that cap. The monsters dont need more HP.
I don't really see how 100% parry breaks the PvE aspect of UO, there's still plenty of things that can't be parried. Id like to watch someone with 100% parry fight the mithril ancient dragon, I should be able to put the time and effort into maxing out parry so I can stay alive. It takes time, it takes effort, it should be rewarded, not nerfed.

PvP? Cap everything. Make the playing field level. Make Duels just that, duels, all skill capped at 120, and basic LRC suits with 70 Resist. Don't make PvE suffer for PvP. If people want to wave their ePeen around about how great they are at pvp, everyone should be exactly the same so its all skill, and not gear, and then newbies can do it too, without the gear deficit that was mentioned earlier. Either that or add swords augments, I don't know how the math on it works, but I dont think 100% parry is really 100% when fighting someone with 250 swordsmanship, could be wrong though.

Do I want parry changed? no. I didnt stop playing OSI so my skills and stats could be even remotely close to what they were there. I've still got a max of 70 resist, so I should be able to make up for that in other places, like parry. I could be wrong, just how I feel about it. When I think about how much effort and money it takes to socket a full suit of armor to max parry.... no, definitely not a fan of the idea.